You see the thing is that you've mistaken me for someone who only likes light toned comic book movies. That is very far from the truth. I love both dark and light toned comic book movies. I love dark toned comic book movies like The Crow, Dark Knight, and Blade. But I also love light toned comic book movies like Superman, Spider-man, and The Avengers.
Believe it or not, I think that some comic book movies are too light in tone. For example, the trailer for "The Wolverine" looks too light in tone, too high-tech, and too clean. A Wolverine movie should be dark in tone and look dark ad gritty.
I don't like campy comic book movies like Batman & Robin, Dick Tracy, and Flash Gordon. There is a difference between a light toned comic book movie and a campy comic book movie. I think you might not know the deference. A light toned comic book movie has a lighter tone but is still serious and takes the source material seriously. A campy comic book movie doesn't take the source material seriously and is even sometimes a parody of the source material. Do you understand?
Captain America: The First Avenger is NOT a campy comic book movie. It is light toned comic book movie. It took the source material seriously. Dance numbers and sci-fi weapons don’t make a movie campy. Batman Begins had a play with dancing bat-like devils in tights swinging on ropes and a sci-fi device that evaporated water, is it campy? Dark Knight had the joker wearing a dress and sci-fi sonar cell phones, is it campy?
I'm all about the appropriate tone for the character. Some comic book character's movies should have a dark tone like Batman, Punisher, and Wolverine, while other characters should have a lighter tone like Superman, Spider-man, and Captain America.
I never said comic book movies cannot deviate away from the comics. I said they should stick close to the comic book. Again, there is a big difference.
Although it might be based off Brubaker's story I guarantee you that it defiantly will not be a direct translation. Nor should it be. It will be a mix of stories. It will be different and you should be prepared for that.
Sure, I'm fine with Captain America: Winter Solder being a bit darker. It's the second movie is a franchise. The second movie usually is Darker. Some examples of this are The Empire Strikes Back, The Dark Knight, Superman II, Spider-Man 2, and X2.
However, Captain America: Winter Solder Shouldn't be "considerably darker”, no. It should feel like it belongs in the same universe as the first movie. Therefore it cannot have a considerable change in tone. It shouldn’t seem like a totally different movie. That's why Batman: Forever and Batman & Robin didn't fit in with the rest of the Batman franchise. Their change in tone was too drastic.
Again, it’s fine and even appropriate for Winter Solder to be darker but, it can't be too dark. Do you understand?
I'm sorry I haven't responded to your post until now.
I agree with you that the war and the Nazis were glossed over. But, just because the Captain America movie had a light tone that doesn't make it campy. And just because a movie is dark it doesn’t make it good.
Brubaker isn't the only Captain America writer. With a character who has as long of a history like Captain America you have to look at the character's entire run. You can't just look at one writer's version of the character just because that writer is popular and most current. That would be disrespectful to the other writers who came before Brubaker. It makes me sad that you would ignore all the other writers.
The Captain America movie is only one part of an entire film universe. It must fit in tone with the other movies. Joe Johnston was probably extremely restricted with what he can and can't do. Some things he was probably forced to have in the movie. He was probably forced to have Hydra, laser guns, and laser shooting tanks whether he wanted to or not.
The Red Skull is not a deformed burn victim in the comic. Making him that would be inaccurate to the comic. Plus, again, Marvel wouldn't let you do that.
With a big very intricately planed out movie like Captain America that's part of a huge film universe a director doesn't have as much freedom as you might think. For all the films to connect together they have to be planed very carefully. There is no room for someone who wants to forge the film in their own image. While your version of the film might have been good, it would not fit with the other films. Marvel would not allow it.
Lastly, again, Brubaker isn't Captain America's only writer. You need to respect the other writers' work.
At 12:01pm on December 31, 2012, Dr. Detfink said…
Thanks for joining Herman. I hope one day to meet you in person over some cold ones. :)
I'm not sure if you're one of the rabid, self entitled fans who cried foul at the original ending and demanded change, but those are people who need to relax. Pussies from around the globe trolled Bioware so much for a ballsy artistic decision that I wonder how stupid video game fans really are. If they are so polarized by a relatively complex ending and scream their mousy heads off for a simpler, more comphrehensible ending, then some of my faith in gamers is lost.
Herman, if you are one of those people, I personally think you need to grow up and respect an artist's decision. If you aren't and just enjoyed a new, unnecessary ending to a fine product, then enjoy yourself...
I actually thought that was a great reveal but what really ruined it for me was the ending. Tarlock/Amon being brothers actually makes the most sense out of the mystery that was Amon's identity. What I had my qualms with was how easily they solved the fact that Korra got her 3/4 bending taken away. There was hardly any time to let that sink in before all of a sudden it was fixed. Plus I was taken aback that they just up and killed off Amon and Tarlock. What did you think about it?
i agree i was a little disappointed that it was some kind of blood bending thing i also thought it would be some kind of Dark Anit-Avatar thing and i kind of wish they would have gone that direction, but i approve of the Blood bending side-effect , but i think the reason he wanted to take away bending was because of the way his Father tried to turn him into a weapon of revenge and that just kind of fucked him up, overall i think he was a well fleshed out fully-developed villain and i hope what ever the do with the antagonist next season that he/she/it is just as developed.
i think Amon was a great villain and i thought he had an Amazing back story, loved how he was outted as a bender, and when he took his mask off i thought Tarlok's whole story was a lie but the Amon started blood bending and the face paint got washed off and i think it was good that they killed him off and it was kind of beautiful how they did it, i think the only way to go with Amon was to kill him and also i loved Korra getting in touch with Aang and Roku and Keoshi (idk how their named are spelled) and now she can restore people's bending and i thought that whole thing was Amazing i just love how the whoel Episode and Story arcs played out, i just hope they show Moko (Korra's boyfriend however you spell his name) Ex and how she reacts to being pushed out the picture in season 2.
To put it simply; Fairy Tail fanfic with a small McGuffin plot that grows into a bigger one. Instead of it being focused on the Main Fairy Tail Cast, I decided to make my own characters in another country, which is probably the main reason I want to say "Screw this, I'm making my own thing." Not to mention, Fairy Tail has a very small mythology that I wanted to fill the holes in. The more I did, the more I felt like I could make my own story with my own mythology, characters and so on. Might stop here and start back from square one because of all the ideas I have. Might be original, might not, but I would want to actually start with something that has my ideas and my ideas only. That's why I want to do my own thing, bu I'm tied with continuing or restarting.
Hey. Saw your E3 comment on the League Lounge and just have to say...WHAT? I saw a screenshot of the new Splinter Cell game, but what?! Michael Ironside isn't voicing him?! Blasphemy!
I love the Transformers movies because of the stories, the characters and the amesome action scenes so I just ignore the blatantly racist, sexist and misogynistic thing.
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You see the thing is that you've mistaken me for someone who only likes light toned comic book movies. That is very far from the truth. I love both dark and light toned comic book movies. I love dark toned comic book movies like The Crow, Dark Knight, and Blade. But I also love light toned comic book movies like Superman, Spider-man, and The Avengers.
Believe it or not, I think that some comic book movies are too light in tone. For example, the trailer for "The Wolverine" looks too light in tone, too high-tech, and too clean. A Wolverine movie should be dark in tone and look dark ad gritty.
I don't like campy comic book movies like Batman & Robin, Dick Tracy, and Flash Gordon. There is a difference between a light toned comic book movie and a campy comic book movie. I think you might not know the deference. A light toned comic book movie has a lighter tone but is still serious and takes the source material seriously. A campy comic book movie doesn't take the source material seriously and is even sometimes a parody of the source material. Do you understand?
Captain America: The First Avenger is NOT a campy comic book movie. It is light toned comic book movie. It took the source material seriously. Dance numbers and sci-fi weapons don’t make a movie campy. Batman Begins had a play with dancing bat-like devils in tights swinging on ropes and a sci-fi device that evaporated water, is it campy? Dark Knight had the joker wearing a dress and sci-fi sonar cell phones, is it campy?
I'm all about the appropriate tone for the character. Some comic book character's movies should have a dark tone like Batman, Punisher, and Wolverine, while other characters should have a lighter tone like Superman, Spider-man, and Captain America.
I never said comic book movies cannot deviate away from the comics. I said they should stick close to the comic book. Again, there is a big difference.
Although it might be based off Brubaker's story I guarantee you that it defiantly will not be a direct translation. Nor should it be. It will be a mix of stories. It will be different and you should be prepared for that.
Sure, I'm fine with Captain America: Winter Solder being a bit darker. It's the second movie is a franchise. The second movie usually is Darker. Some examples of this are The Empire Strikes Back, The Dark Knight, Superman II, Spider-Man 2, and X2.
However, Captain America: Winter Solder Shouldn't be "considerably darker”, no. It should feel like it belongs in the same universe as the first movie. Therefore it cannot have a considerable change in tone. It shouldn’t seem like a totally different movie. That's why Batman: Forever and Batman & Robin didn't fit in with the rest of the Batman franchise. Their change in tone was too drastic.
Again, it’s fine and even appropriate for Winter Solder to be darker but, it can't be too dark. Do you understand?
I'm sorry I haven't responded to your post until now.
I agree with you that the war and the Nazis were glossed over. But, just because the Captain America movie had a light tone that doesn't make it campy. And just because a movie is dark it doesn’t make it good.
Brubaker isn't the only Captain America writer. With a character who has as long of a history like Captain America you have to look at the character's entire run. You can't just look at one writer's version of the character just because that writer is popular and most current. That would be disrespectful to the other writers who came before Brubaker. It makes me sad that you would ignore all the other writers.
The Captain America movie is only one part of an entire film universe. It must fit in tone with the other movies. Joe Johnston was probably extremely restricted with what he can and can't do. Some things he was probably forced to have in the movie. He was probably forced to have Hydra, laser guns, and laser shooting tanks whether he wanted to or not.
The Red Skull is not a deformed burn victim in the comic. Making him that would be inaccurate to the comic. Plus, again, Marvel wouldn't let you do that.
With a big very intricately planed out movie like Captain America that's part of a huge film universe a director doesn't have as much freedom as you might think. For all the films to connect together they have to be planed very carefully. There is no room for someone who wants to forge the film in their own image. While your version of the film might have been good, it would not fit with the other films. Marvel would not allow it.
Lastly, again, Brubaker isn't Captain America's only writer. You need to respect the other writers' work.
Thanks for joining Herman. I hope one day to meet you in person over some cold ones. :)
I would be honored if you joined my group: NY B&V
Hey I love reading the 107 postive movie reviews this movie is getting.
I meant 5.
Korey and Leon gave the movie a Matinee and Cyrus and Co-Host gave it a Rental.
Herman, if you are one of those people, I personally think you need to grow up and respect an artist's decision. If you aren't and just enjoyed a new, unnecessary ending to a fine product, then enjoy yourself...
I actually thought that was a great reveal but what really ruined it for me was the ending. Tarlock/Amon being brothers actually makes the most sense out of the mystery that was Amon's identity. What I had my qualms with was how easily they solved the fact that Korra got her 3/4 bending taken away. There was hardly any time to let that sink in before all of a sudden it was fixed. Plus I was taken aback that they just up and killed off Amon and Tarlock. What did you think about it?
i agree i was a little disappointed that it was some kind of blood bending thing i also thought it would be some kind of Dark Anit-Avatar thing and i kind of wish they would have gone that direction, but i approve of the Blood bending side-effect , but i think the reason he wanted to take away bending was because of the way his Father tried to turn him into a weapon of revenge and that just kind of fucked him up, overall i think he was a well fleshed out fully-developed villain and i hope what ever the do with the antagonist next season that he/she/it is just as developed.
i think Amon was a great villain and i thought he had an Amazing back story, loved how he was outted as a bender, and when he took his mask off i thought Tarlok's whole story was a lie but the Amon started blood bending and the face paint got washed off and i think it was good that they killed him off and it was kind of beautiful how they did it, i think the only way to go with Amon was to kill him and also i loved Korra getting in touch with Aang and Roku and Keoshi (idk how their named are spelled) and now she can restore people's bending and i thought that whole thing was Amazing i just love how the whoel Episode and Story arcs played out, i just hope they show Moko (Korra's boyfriend however you spell his name) Ex and how she reacts to being pushed out the picture in season 2.
To put it simply; Fairy Tail fanfic with a small McGuffin plot that grows into a bigger one. Instead of it being focused on the Main Fairy Tail Cast, I decided to make my own characters in another country, which is probably the main reason I want to say "Screw this, I'm making my own thing." Not to mention, Fairy Tail has a very small mythology that I wanted to fill the holes in. The more I did, the more I felt like I could make my own story with my own mythology, characters and so on. Might stop here and start back from square one because of all the ideas I have. Might be original, might not, but I would want to actually start with something that has my ideas and my ideas only. That's why I want to do my own thing, bu I'm tied with continuing or restarting.
Oh I completely agree. Though I've never heard his later performances. I only own the first Splinter Cell and Pandora Tomorrow.
I consider myself to be a creationist.
Hey. Saw your E3 comment on the League Lounge and just have to say...WHAT? I saw a screenshot of the new Splinter Cell game, but what?! Michael Ironside isn't voicing him?! Blasphemy!
I love the Transformers movies because of the stories, the characters and the amesome action scenes so I just ignore the blatantly racist, sexist and misogynistic thing.
I'm sorry Herman, I was wrong all the way.