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Comment by randy on March 5, 2012 at 5:35pm

@Daedalus Claran

I didn't mind the serious conversation about what defines Iron Women, I agree we need that so we can better understand them.My issue was more how they focused so much on the sexualzing of women, because Kelly and Cyrus were not agreeing on that matter much, so it became the main focus of the topic instead of one element to what makes an iron lady.

If you want more serious LEOG's, that is fine and I understand, but I don't think that by itself makes the episode better.. I give them credit when they can balance heavy arguments with comedy, it's the talent the LEOG had that makes the podcast so special, instead of being really serious or really comedic.To me, this episode did not find that common balance and it was an awkward listen for me.

Comment by Like a Sir on March 5, 2012 at 1:42pm

For me my favorite iron ladies are Jack from mass effect and Lisbeth Salander from Girl with a Dragon Tattoo. Also nobody said that one of the reason that Brienne loves Renly is because Renly is the only person who is actually kind to her. 

Comment by Devane Boyd on March 5, 2012 at 10:37am

on the subject of mass effect and iron women you gotta mention the justicar Samara I mean she's just all round bad ass just look at her introduction plus shes one of the few people in mass effect that you cant romantically pursue because she's so focused on her mission

Comment by Harris on March 4, 2012 at 9:01pm

Is it hard being afraid of female sexuality, Brandon?

Comment by The Hawk on March 4, 2012 at 9:00pm

Wow... Cyrus and Kelly should not be allowed to be on mic at the same time. I felt like daddy slapped mommy at the dinner table several times throughout the podcast. The discussion turned to argument too many times. Granted, this was entertaining. I am very surprised to how aggressive this episode was. Great episode none the less.

Comment by Cyrus on March 4, 2012 at 7:04pm

I'm sure your allegory has settled the anger about this inequality for women everywhere, Brandon.

Comment by Brandon Parker on March 4, 2012 at 6:52pm

to cyrus about the slut thing everyone likes a key that opens every lock but no one likes a lock that opens for every key

Comment by Daedalus Ciarán on March 4, 2012 at 5:51pm

@ Yodaap, randy, et al. How can you have a discussion on examples of Iron Women without an accurate definition of what makes an Iron Woman? The discussion they had was right at the heart of the matter of strong female characters. Which ones are better/worse would be obvious if a clear definition were reached. And if you just wanted a list of tough/strong female characters, maybe with a poll from best to worst, I think the episode would've been all the poorer for it. It's good to get a serious discussion/debate going, instead of the usual racist joke, racist joke, pun, talk over Cat's historical point, Batman, racist joke nice chat about topic, which we usually get.

@Neeeen I agree with some of the examples you give (the ones that I recognise anyway) except for your last two points. Shakespeare wrote some strong female characters, some smarter than the males in his plays, true. However, you gloss over the fact that many are under the thumb of male characters, sometimes to the point of subservience, and others almost all the others are clearly evil, and get their due comeuppance for defying the social order and acting out. Lady Macbeth goes mad and throws herself off a tower. The patriarch is restored. Secondly the problem isn't that sexuality is used by female characters, but rather that that's constantly the first port of call in a lot of fiction. Take the film Aladdin from the mid 90s. In the end Jasmine distracts Jafar, how? By pretending she's going to sleep with him. She goes straight for the sex and succeeds. Attacking him doesn't, insulting him doesn't, talking to him doesn't, but her acting like she's up for it does. The implication is that she's better at it than the rest. It is a tool, yes, but its recurrence in the vast majority of female characters means that its use is more a reflection of laziness, or possibly malice, on behalf of the writer. That's a problem worth addressing.

Great show lads and ladies. More Kelly. More seriousness too, just to break things up from time to time and to provide some meaty ideas to chew over after the podcast is done.

Comment by Brutuxan on March 4, 2012 at 2:55pm

@Professor Gascan, Mark Meer, the guy also did voices for the Vorcha and some of the Krogan.

Comment by Professor Gascan on March 4, 2012 at 2:44pm

Does anybody even know offhand who Captain Shepard's male voice actor is? I just looked him up on IMDB and it's like, "so you have this grand sci-fi adventure you're making, and instead of having the male character be played by a veteran voice actor on par with Jennifer Hale, you just pick some jerkoff who's basically only done background NPCs in other games?"

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