Dont worry there arent any spoilers......... think of me in parenthesis as the commentator
12:51amNathaniel
omg avatar won best director
12:51amAdriel
gah

so he was on oprah

12:52amNathaniel


james cameron didnt even have a speech


12:52amAdriel

and he told oprah that he did have an agenda with making that movie

he was purposely putting all of the spiritual stuff in there to propogate it

12:54amNathaniel

yeah

no

12:55amAdriel

yeah he was

he said so himself

and then oprah said that everyone should go see it for the spiritual message..especially women

so you know now that like..hundreds of women are gonna go see it now


12:58amNathaniel

haha i think more then hundreds of women are going to see it already

12:59amAdriel

yeah but not specifically to see what the spiritual message is

1:02amNathaniel

there more of a spirtual message in disneys pocahontas

1:04amAdriel

mm not so much

when a director is saying

that he got a bunch of botanists

to name these alien plants he's made up in his movie

1:05amNathaniel

and.......

1:05amAdriel

because he's trying to rival tolkein, and promote mother earth worship because its something he's always believd or whatever

1:05amNathaniel

so from all that im hearing is

avatar is

1:07amNathaniel

an anti war , earth worshiping , 9/11 environmental film

im not buying any of that

1:07amAdriel

well i don't know about the antiwar 9/11 bit

but the director talked about the mother earth worshipping stuff himself

so it doesn't really matter if you buy it

it just is

1:08amNathaniel

yeah all director who make movies like this do

1:08amAdriel

not really

i mean, obviously they put their beliefs into a film

but not all of them so vehemently ( I don't know what that word means)

1:10amNathaniel

ur giving the film to much credit

1:13amAdriel

not at all

you're giving it not enough ( if this was a drama we'd probably kiss after this line)

media has a much wider influence than you give it credit for

and especially when spiritual stuff is inolved

*involved

1:14amNathaniel

yeah so its going to a couple poeple (this sentences doesnt make sense... it makes dollers =0)


1:16amNathaniel

but spiritaulism isnt what this films about

not nearly

1:16amAdriel

if the director himself says it is on national television ( because poeple tell the truth on national Tv)

it is
no matter what you think its about( becuase it doesnt matter what i think what an ass hole)

1:16amNathaniel

k

ur wrong

1:17amAdriel

no i'm pretty sure i'm right about this

1:17amNathaniel

let me explain

1:18amNathaniel

let's say little micheal bay comes on oprah to premote tranformers 3

1:19amAdriel

and? ( no patience im typing this on my phone)

1:20amNathaniel

he most likely isnt going to say " i just like to blow shit up and thats what this movie is about shit blowing up"

1:21amNathaniel

no his going to talk about metaphors about how the film pertains to the world and has a deep sentimental meaning or at least some releavants

now avatar is a bit

different ( i didnt get to finish my point here)

1:22amAdriel

not convincing me

1:22amNathaniel

hold on a sec

1:22amAdriel

i really don't think this guy just said all that stuff for the hell of it( and she doesnt hold on for even a second)

1:24amAdriel

there's a difference between metaphors

and spiritual beliefs

1:26amNathaniel

k wait what are u acaully saying about the film ( this is for all the kids at home)

1:26amAdriel

i'm saying that the film promotes mother earth worship, because its obvious just from watching it. and then on top of that the director said that was his aim

1:38amNathaniel

have u seen the film in theaters yet?

1:38amAdriel

nope

my parents did( of course cause i give a shit and its relevant to the conversation)

1:38amNathaniel

k so u really havent "seen" the the film

1:40amAdriel

i downloaded it

i just haven't seen it in 3d

1:41amNathaniel

thats like waching the movie with half the script cut out

1:41amAdriel

not at all

now if i were to watch the movie and not have the subtitles when the navi speak..then maybe you could say that

1:43amNathaniel

not thats not what im getting at

1:43amAdriel

what are you getting at then?( your pants)

1:48amNathaniel

seeing in good quality and in 3d is an integral part of the movie

1:50amAdriel

are you inferring that because i didn't see it in 3d i can't produce a correct analysis of the movie?

1:50amNathaniel

yes

1:50amAdriel

well, no offense, but that's ridiculous

1:51amNathaniel

you make it sound vain but for this movie its kinda of important

and yeah it does sound ridiculous i know that

1:51amAdriel

well i'm not analyzing the movie based on quality

i'm analyzing the message

and i'm not even analyzing that much because the director put it all out there blatantly

and 3d has nothing to do with the message

its an effect

1:54amNathaniel

its the film was shot its a part of the feeling of the film that effect the message but in all serious this is a really dumb arguement. we both got something different out of the film and we probably are never going to be able change each others minds

1:55amAdriel

the difference as i see it is, you think you know everything about movies and therefore think you can critique them with authority(cunt)

i don't think i know everything about movies, but i know a lot about spirituality, religion(we should kiss)

1:56amNathaniel

thats not what im saying

1:56amAdriel

no, but that's very much how you act

and are perceived

over

and over again

when talking about movies

and if this were just a conversation about

effects

or acting

1:56amNathaniel

well im sorry ( pretending to be sorry is the quickest way of getting into somebodys pant)

1:56amAdriel

i really wouldn't care and would probably just let you go on about it

but its not

its about something a lot more important than that

because what people believe, and how they use it is very crucial to the welfare of others

1:59amAdriel

basically anything that propogates a belief that is not centered in Christ is dangerous. whether a person feels that's serious or not, it just is.

2:00amNathaniel

ok i totally agree with u

2:00amAdriel

well the previous conversation we had about avatar

you were saying that it didn't affect you that way, so i was wrong

and this was even before the director was on oprah

2:01amNathaniel

i just dont think spirtualism is the main point of the film and im not saying the film doesnt have any

2:01amAdriel

and i really don't care about being right, its not about that for me. its about what's true and what isn't( wait this doesnt really make sense either)

if its not the main point, its the second main( or secondary point for those out there

2:02amNathaniel

oks

2:03amAdriel

and it will affect people, whether on a conscious level or a subconscious level. everything does..especially if it has anything to do with spirituatly

2:04amNathaniel

ok so ur saying the films dangerous on that level

2:04amAdriel

yeah


Ok you heard it here first avatar the movie with almost no plot is dangerous and think the funniest thing about this conversation is we both didnt use any plot points to back up are points. Anyways sorry jimmy cameron maybe ur next movie "battle angle" will be safe for the masses.