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Explaining the universal issues with "The Green Hornet"
Seth Rogen's new action movie "The Green Hornet" has earned a 44% on Rotton Tomatoes, a not so steller review from the Spill Crew, and a lot of hate from critics, and audiences alike. Now how can this be, that is the question. It's an superhero action film, and it has some popular stars such as Cameron Diaz, but it's acquired so much panning from people it baffles me that it even made $550,000 at the midnight shows.
Short Review of Film: I thought that a Green Hornet film would be interesting to see for many years, granted I'm not big into comics, more so movies, and video games, but I saw some episodes of the TV series with Van Williams, and Bruce Lee, and the first thing I thought when I heard that Seth Rogen was cast as Britt Reid was "you have got to be kidding me" I laughed, but I had hopes. Those hopes were broken not only is "The Green Hornet" ridiculously corny, but it makes a fool out the two best people in the film Christoph Waltz, and Jay Chou. There were things that were not needed at all, the humor was abrupt, and needed to be at least a bit more serious. I have to admit though that the action scenes when they were happening, were pretty awesome, and the 3D was surprisingly really well done. apart from badass action scenes the rest is complete rubbish.
"The Green Hornet"
Now let's see what would've aced people in hating this film, comic book fan or not.
1) Seth Rogen
Let's face it Seth Rogen is a actor who one in a while comes out with something very likable. I loved "Knocked Up" one of my favorite comedies, and he's generally a funny man, but putting him at the front of a superhero action film was a giant mistake. Honestly when rumors said George Clooney was supposed to play Britt Reid I was more accepting towards that as to Seth Rogen. Many people like Seth Rogen, many people hate Seth Rogen and "hate" is a strong word that I wouldn't use to describe my feelings towards Seth Rogen. I would say that he's more annoying, or overcompensating. In the film when Jay Chou attempted to be serious, and he indeed tried, Seth Rogen came out of nowhere to only say the most random uncalled for joke that could be uttered by a human being, and for it to not be funny, or at least get a chuckle out of me.
I have to say though that I respectively am happy that he lost weight, it may not be a whole lot, but he wasn't obese to begin with, he wasn't Michael Moore size, but he did something good for himself, and to prepare for the role which is very good on his part. Other than that he makes this film seem more on the line of a parody, or something from "Community", than an action film on any hand.
2) "Green Hornet" ??
Same reason with "Scott Pilgrim vs the World" not many people know of The Green Hornet. Main difference is that "Scott Pilgrim vs the World" failed at the box office, and "The Green Hornet" made a good amount of money, but "Scott Pilgrim" is actually a good movie, but other than a few people who are fans of the TV series, or the comics, any other folk off the street who wants to see the movie isn't going to know jack about it other than it's not the Green Lantern, and that it stars Seth Rogen. It seems the most famous thing that most people remember about "The Green Hornet" TV show, radio show, and movie alike is Kato. Kato is by far a better character than Green Hornet. Bruce Lee is most famous for that role in the 60's show, and is since to be remembered as the definitive Kato. The character in the film is the best thing apart from probably one of the best film cars in history. I'm sorry without The Black Beauty the film wouldn't have been as fun as it is during the action scenes. What I'm getting to is mainstream audiences don't know enough about "The Green Hornet" to care or even like the film. Reason why they see it, is because it's the middle of January and the beginning of the new year. Which brings me to my next point.
3) Release Date
This isn't a bad thing actually, it's good for a film to make at least an acceptable amount of money. January is not a good month for movies, and even February on til May. The early moths of a year is when Hollywood dumps out their soon to be released comedies that never made it out in December. An action movie in January is a are encounter, but "The Green Hornet" was supposed to be released on July 9, of last year, and then pushed to December 22, and then was pushed to January to take more time on the 3D conversion. One reason why this can be a bad thing is because this year is set to be another 2008 in that we have a lot of superhero/comic book based films just to name a few, "The First Avenger: Captain America", "Thor", "Green Lantern", there are many coming out this year, with some I left out, and this isn't a good start to another superhero filled year. The 3D can be another factor to the money it made, the 3D was really fun, and good. In a movie like "Tron: Legacy" were the movie is practically made for 3D, at times "The Green Hornet" is better than some science fiction films. January isn't a good start every year for movies, and "The Green Hornet" didn't really make it all better.
4) A superhero comedy ?
The new age superhero is a undermined, sad little misfit who's only lease on life is to fight crime. We have come to love gothic superhero films. A superhero film with Seth Rogen, and a name like "The Green Hornet", and seeing the trailers, and TV spots make this film look like an SNL skit with some explosions. Look at "Green Lantern" the trailer looked corny, but serious towards the middle, but the main complaint other than the costume was the tone. "Green Hornet" has lost it's tone. The TV series was a bit corny, but even near as corny as "Batman" which was going on at the time. It seems like the superhero that had a corny, funny, goofy past like Batman turns out in the future to be dark, depressing, and....better than anything else, and the superhero like Green Hornet or Green Lantern who started out serious turns corny, and comedic. It's a pattern that goes on a lot in superhero movies, and "Green Hornet" is a prime example of a movie that could have been a crime/ mystery noir, but turned out to be a mockery, and audiences seems to like the depressing superhero opposed to the comedic superhero. Even a superhero like Iron Man had his dark moments in "Iron Man 2".
Dark, Depressing & Realistic = $ Big bucks $
"The Green Hornet" is the opposite of Batman. They're both millionaires who take on a life of crime, but "The Green Hornet" is the flip side to heroism. They had a good director, a good premise, and didn't utilize it. I'm not saying it's wrong to not have fun at the movies, believe me if anyone I'm the type of person to take everything as a joke or at least make it a joke if done right, but they took it way to far to the point of it felt like a kids' animated film. Hopefully the other highly anticipated superhero films this year accede this one.
What's your view on "The Green Hornet"
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Comment by david chalker on January 23, 2011 at 9:17am -
just got back from seeing this movie and all i can say was good was the slow motion 3d and the guy that played kato other then that the movie was just boring. I for the life of me couldnt understand why kato would even pretend for a second to be the side kick to the character seth plays. it doesnt make any sence, other then the swimming kato could kick the shit out of reid with one punch. not only that but kato is the brains too so why the fuck would he take the backseat to reid
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Comment by the Mindful Lunatic on January 22, 2011 at 12:39am -
I thought it was a fun movie. I can't say it was something i'd be inclined to watch over and over, but it was entertaining.
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Comment by Watcherprime on January 21, 2011 at 10:24pm -
This proves that many movie goers are not comic book geeks... We, as those geeks, love the lavishly ludicous.
How else can we love the idea of a rich man, who after seeing his parents gunned down, trains to be a detective, a ninja and then on a whim, to return home, dress as a bat, buy lots of of themed toys to scare the crap out of the common street hood? The only reason why the modern Batman films get such praise is because they go completely dark... Movie goers can't handle the comics, though comic readers can handle movies just fine.
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Comment by Brian Cosgrove Payne on January 20, 2011 at 9:46pm
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I enjoyed the movie while watching it, but it was entirely forgettable. Everything about it was done before, and most certainly better. The comedy was generally funny, and the actions scenes were very well directed, but the movie just refused to end. Their was just far too much filler in between the funny and the awesome action direction.
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Comment by Mike M. on January 18, 2011 at 3:39pm -
@Superbadmike,
Thanks for your opinion, although I have to disagree with it, for reasons that I have already stated.
And in my opinion, Edgar Wright is the best comedic screenwriter out there right now.
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Comment by Superbadmike on January 18, 2011 at 3:00pm
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Seth Rogen is a great comedic writer. Superbad received critical acclaim and is my favorite movie (and my namesake). Although Pineapple Express was not as well received with critics it became a fan favorite. The Spill crew gave both those movies Full Price and, although Drillbit Taylor did suck, he had almost nothing to do with it. he did it only for the paycheck. In my opinion he is the best comedic screenwritter out there right now.
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Comment by Chris Bartel on January 17, 2011 at 8:55pm
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@mike m.
I never saw pineapple express or drillbit taylor, so i can't really say that this movie felt like those 2, superbad I never really like jonah hills character he never really redeemed himself even when it came to the end of the movie, and that kinda of the way seth rogan's character came off in this is he was a douchebag the entire movie. I have to say two of the worst films i've seen in theaters is titanic and blair witch project, movies that put me to sleep are not that great and spending $7-10 dollars a movie to be put to sleep kinda of made me upset. I agree battlefield eath is one of the worst movies ever made, it's not even so bad it's good it's just bad.
But if that is how every seth rogen screenplay goes then yeah he needs to a.) either stop writing or b.) come up with a new set-up.
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Comment by Chris Bartel on January 17, 2011 at 8:48pm
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@Brutuxan
The reason i brought up the social network is because I Just watched it, and while i thought it was a good movie I felt like it had no weight to me it would have been better as a documentary than a movie, but i can recommend the green hornet over the social network because i was entertained by it more so than i was by the social network.
I kinda of understand what your trying to say but your comments come off as contradicting, "My point was if the movie doesn't interest you and if someone's forcing you to go see it based on the notion that you're some "hipster douchebag" for not agreeing with their opinion about how awesome the movie was (even though they are in the small minority) then you don't need to see it." but then you say things like "one has received stellar reviews and if someone was curious about the Social Network then I would strongly recommend that person to go see it. The Green Hornet on the other hand hasn't been receiving decent scores from the critic community, and before you say "Well my friend says" So forgive me if My comments come off wrong and im assuming something that your not meaning.
Personally for me If i wanna see a movie I avoid critic reviews, I avoid word of mouth, I see one trailer for the movie (Usually find out what movie trailer is playing in front of) and then i base my opinion on how i felt watching the movie.
For instance word of mouth for avatar was good, critic reviews were good went and saw the movie and felt like it was the shiniest turd I have ever seen James Cameron make, YAY for beautiful images, but where is my story, acting, freaking entertainment?
In response to "The problem is what if the movie sucks (from a personal view) and you spent over $15 on a movie that you won't even remember the next day?" Obviously the only one i should be blaming for that is me, but almost all movies are a crap shoot, not everyone is gonna like everything does that mean that we should be refunded everytime we hate something. I love movies the good, the bad and the ugly one's (yes i went there) unfortunately i don't work for a video store where i use to be able to take home movies all the time for free, now i go see movies when i get passes or gift cards.
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Comment by Mike M. on January 17, 2011 at 7:14pm
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@ Chris Bartel, thanks for your post.
I haven't seen Social Network yet, I plan to rent it eventually, but I didn't have enough money to see it when it was in theaters.
I have also seen many films that I have regretted paying for. Worst movie I ever rented was Battlefield Earth. IT WAS SO BAD!!!! I can't even enjoy that film as a so-bad-it's-good movie. Worst film I saw in theaters was 21 Grams, to this day, it is the only movie I ever walked out of.
But all this stuff coming up is really off topic from my first post. In it I wrote:
On the topic of Seth Rogan; I HATE THIS GUY'S WRITING! He's done Pinapple Express, Drillbit Taylor and Superbad. (He didn't help write Knocked Up.) Currently, I'm seeing a pattern emerge. Let's watch a guy not know what is important in life, and waste time for the first third of the movie. The second part, his actions dig himself deeper, then in the last 15 minutes of the film, the guy gets his act together, he easily gets everything under control with little outside help or preparation. Then everyone is forgiven in the closing scene, even if they don't deserve to be. Oh, and if there is a hot girl in the movie, the main guy gets her, despite the fact that he has nothing special about him that would make her end up with him.
Most his jokes go on for too long, and he's trying to force the audience to take it easy, no matter how intense or frightening the situation the character is in is.
I wondered if anyone who saw that film would say if it was an incorrect assumption.
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Comment by Brutuxan on January 17, 2011 at 2:08pm -
@Chris Bartel, Wow, that was not my point at all. So I'm going to list out all the mistakes you made:
1. "I see nothing wrong with not wanting to see a movie because it doesn't interest you"
I said it before and I'll say it again, if you think the movie looks interesting then go fucking see it! No one's stopping you, I ain't stopping you. My point was if the movie doesn't interest you and if someone's forcing you to go see it based on the notion that you're some "hipster douchebag" for not agreeing with their opinion about how awesome the movie was (even though they are in the small minority) then you don't need to see it.
2. "It's not an amazing movie but it was good enough that i would recommend it over something like the social network"
Look, I can appreciate an honest opinion but why would you recommend the Green Hornet over the Social Network? That doesn't make sense, one has received stellar reviews and if someone was curious about the Social Network then I would strongly recommend that person to go see it. The Green Hornet on the other hand hasn't been receiving decent scores from the critic community, and before you say "Well my friend says-" yeah, well chances are he's probably part of the demographic that goes to see movies like Norbit and Meet the Spartans (which hey, if you're into those type of movies that's fine). I know you have your own feelings about the Social Network, but if the movie is receiving GREAT word-of-mouth then hell you would be doing that person a dishonor.
3. "I saw this movie and walked out feeling like I didn't waste money on it"
That's awesome, if you have the money to spend on seeing a movie that's "perfectly" fine. The problem is what if the movie sucks (from a personal view) and you spent over $15 on a movie that you won't even remember the next day? Yeah, so why would I bother telling someone who could give two shit's about Green Hornet to go see the movie when they could catch something much BETTER on TV (or read the recent run of Captain America by Brubaker or even Invincible for god's sake).
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