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Comment by J-Haze on August 24, 2012 at 2:49pm

no carrey, no dice...

Comment by Zuri Ch on August 24, 2012 at 7:58am

we shouldnt even be talking about this film if Carrey is not in it. End OF! 

Comment by Mike Denney on August 23, 2012 at 4:22pm

ONE MORE THING:

Some helpful 'plot suggestions', before the Farrelly's let this polished turd loose on us:

• Lloyd and Harry both score jobs in the Secret Service due to their roles in the 1st movie, but they never really understand why they're treated 'differently' from other agents.  In reality, special agents in various bureaus know they can call on them as 'simpleton pawns' for various low-risk roles, all basically playing themselves, without their knowledge (obviously). Mayhem ensues.
• Here's one: DON'T have them MILKING a child for his frikking kidney! That is malevolent.
• Harry and Lloyd got rewards for what they did in the first film: now, they own a place where Harry runs a dog-grooming salon for Hollywood actors with ridiculous tastes in both DOGS and GROOMING (not to mention names), and Lloyd went right back to driving limos, but also serves the local acting community, and government officials. Due to some mafia ties made by the kidnappers in the first film (and because they feel sorry for them both), the U.S. gov't has set them up with fake identities doing what they like, but they have certain 'rules' they have to play by, played-up as funny because the rules really could either be 'protecting' them both, or basically 'protecting' their clientele and all others who could possibly come into contact with them (they've both been classified as dangerous after the kidnapping case was gone-over, and all damaged parties tallied).
• sub-plot: Harry and Lloyd find out they are related VERY distantly, and discover the name of a 'mutual relative' who might be able to lend some 'light' as to the nature of their relationship, kinship, and a possible family inheritance.  All this info turns out very early on, to be quite irrational and bogus, due to Lloyd's complete illiteracy, and Harry's inheritently 'type B' tendencies (he keeps this from Lloyd til some time when he feels Lloyd might be able to 'take it')
• MY PERSONAL FAVORITE: Lloyd and Harry's friendship is tested again when they buy a winning lottery ticket together...endless jokes on the 'good life', including hiring 'wealth advisors', etc., but things go awry when Lloyd unwittingly hires some scammers on 'the internet' who come in and plot to steal it all, using a ruse to split the two friends, and a craftily-worded 'BFF Agreement' that makes it impossible to spend it, except on each other, all while literally raiding their bank accounts, hoping to get away with their $500 million dollar prize money.  What Harry buys Lloyd, and vice-verse, becomes some of the best jokes of the movie: instead of 'The Gift of the Magi', the subtext turns out that neither of them knows anything about what the other one actually likes, driving a wedge between them--more like Steve Martin's short story "The Gift of the Magi Indian Giver", in his book, "Cruel Shoes", but on a level far more astoundingly stupid.  The movie could be titled "Dumb is as Dumb Does".

Think I'll post this here, and see if the movie I go watch looks anything like it.  If so, I'll kindly accept around $2 to $5 million dollars for my 'finders fee' for saving this whole franchise.  I'd put Steve Martin in charge of 'these two' actors for this movie, in fact, in a supervisory AND production role, and bet $1 million of that he'd blow us away (and Martin could design his own cameo, for that matter, which I'm sure would rival anything Stan Lee will ever do).

(Steve Martin has so much talent dripping out of him that he's never known what to do with it, himself--nor have we).

Comment by Mike Denney on August 23, 2012 at 3:56pm

Also, I think the plot as it sits now sucks...IF either Lloyd or Harry needs a kidney, and wants to go get one from a supposed love child?  What the hell?  I've seen enough of Casey Anthony and other bad parenting, in the interim since the original movie, to think that can be funny.

Here's the thing: in "South Park: Bigger, Better, and Uncut"--I think Eric Cartman saving the world from a satanic apocalypse by using his foul mouth, is extremely funny, but in the same movie, I thought that some dumb U.S. general blowing Bill Gates' brains out because Windows was ruining their war, was a little bit over the top.  When I saw that movie in the theater, that scene stopped a big crowd of college kids from enjoying the movie (you could hear a pin drop until the next scene, where they picked up again).

We're not going to see "Saw Pt. 23", "The Notebook", or even any other comedy, when we go see this one.  We're going hoping to see some of the dumbest stuff ever filmed, without apology, hesitation, or self-absorption.  We're going to laugh at ourselves, and also realize that any other person in the theater can and would do exactly the same stupid stuff, if they were behaving foolishly.  Without calling these guys 'fools', we're laughing our asses off at just that exact trait.

Lloyd and Harry weren't 'retarded'--not even close.  They didn't even have ADHD, or symptoms of mental illness (well, except the end, where Lloyd broke with reality and attacked Mary's hubby--and all those other times)...LOOK--we're not even going to worry about how much to pay.

Just make us laugh, guys--this aint no love-letter--just show us some more funny before it's far too late.

BTW, could you not guess?  "Dumb and Dumber" is my favorite movie.

Comment by Mike Denney on August 23, 2012 at 3:39pm

no, NO, NOOO!  Don't tell me Carrey's off this project!?  Peter Farrelly was just on TV last month stating very clearly that "I can tell you this, that both the original actors, Carrey and Daniels, are back in on this one"; "the first one was done [poorly and too quickly]", etc.

When are the Farrelly's going to realize that Jim Carrey IS Lloyd Christmas?!

If you can't get them both, don't do it...it's like the Odd Couple done without either Klugman or Randall--you just can't do it to people any more.  This isn't 'TV', it's 'the movies'.  It's your biggest film, no matter what you indulge yourself to believe, ever, and therefore, IF and WHEN you decide to go frikking with it, you're compromising whatever you're making next.

@Farrellys: You 'effed' up once, by selling out the 2nd one, so go hit Jim Carrey on his head with a big fake hammer, or some public stunt--anything to realize that his sh*t DOES stink, and precisely like Eddie Murphy, Adam Sandler, and so many other comedic 'actors', his fame and success were based on something called 'funny', and if they do not cease with their pathetic attempts at making money over substance, they will fail epicly until they die, leaving VH1 with nothing to mention but tragedy in their last several DECADES of work!

@Carrey: Quit screwing your fan base. Stop it, stop it, stop it. You are so very lucky that your fans loved you in "In Living Color", and you've been essentially hating your fortune for the past 10 movies, since you tried forcing us all to commit suicide for loving you in 'The Cable Guy', and WAY before. Nobody cared for anything you did before you went haywire as 'Fireman Bill' in 'ILC', and since then, it's like you've been despising your gift.  It's not like we're asking you to be 'in character' [i.e. 'dumb'] all the time--and God forbid you think your audience for these films is poking fun at anyone with any kind of mental illness, or deficit, of any kind.  You OWN the character Lloyd Christmas, who in turn, OWNS something so irrationally, ridiculously DUMB, that it is simply indescribable.

I swear, if they frik this one up, fans should buy out the franchise and make it so that nobody else can ruin it again--it's 2nd only to Spielberg and Lucas's 'redos' in selfish, empty behavior, to even be letting your fan-base worry over it.

It was a VERY funny movie--maybe the funniest ever, for so many reasons, I'd sound EVER WORSE by going over them anywhere.  To me, it is a hallowed trip into the best humor that helped me along through a very depressing decade, and since, and all involved should realize it's value as such, and quit freaking ruining it, over and over.

Anyone really wanting to realize what a gem we have here need only watch the 'Special Features' shorts on the original DVD, to see how close they came to naming it something sounding like it would win a Foreign Film award (and so be very forgettable), how close they came to not getting Jeff Daniels to play Harry (due to Carrey's supposed reputation of 'owning' every scene, which all thought would be off-putting to Daniels' sensibilities on set); they--and so, we--really did luck out on this one.

It's like everybody in the whole entire world finding a 200 carat ruby in their backyard, even if it's a dumpster.

Don't ruin that, for any reason, at any cost--you'll have deprived the world of something it really needs more than ever right now.

Comment by Austen Messick on August 23, 2012 at 2:54pm

The chemistry between the two main actors is what made that movie work. Without Carrey, it would be difficult. I was a huge Jim Carrey fan when I was a kid but I find him annoying now. But, he is really talented. No one can take that away. Steve Martin is also very talented but makes some really awful movie decisions (most likely base on how many Edward Hopper paintings it can buy). Saying that, both will probably be in a few more things that will knock our socks off.

You can't have that much talent without it shining through.

Comment by Hector Fernando Andrade JR. II on August 23, 2012 at 2:31pm

@gorillahandz: Mr. Popper's Penguins made a total $210,798,534 dollars so the movie was a hit.

Comment by gorillahandz on August 23, 2012 at 2:08pm

I would say Jim Carrey's career hasn't exactly been on fire lately (Mr. Popper's Penguins...really?) so it totally makes sense he would do this if the $$$ was right.  Also, according to IMDB he is attached to the project (take that for what it is worth).

Comment by Hector Fernando Andrade JR. II on August 23, 2012 at 2:08pm

No one can replace Jim Carrey.

 

This plot sounds terrible.

Comment by D.F.W.J a.k.a Captain Fuck You! on August 23, 2012 at 12:18pm

No one can replace Carrey so, if they cant bring him back(which IDK what I feel about this) I know for surre I aint watching this shit.

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