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Artsygirl1234 asks: For the nexts Batman Movie do you think it be cool/wise, to bring in Harley Quinn the Jokers number 1 henchwench into the story?
You know, I'm always surprised at this question. I've been getting it a lot lately. I totally understand the love of Harley...but a lot of people don't realize she was never part of the Batman world until recently. She is a product of the Batman Animated series of the 90's - a creation of genius animation artist Paul Dini (along with Bruce Timm, but let's be honest, Quinn is SOOOO Dini it hurts) back in 1992. Now for a lot of our audience, that is a substantial part of their Batman universe. But for guys like me who didn't grow up with the character, she is a cool but new addition to a universe that we can't quite get enough of right now.
I mean, we now have 6 batman movies over the course of 19 years - and how many villains have we seen? We've had two Joker movies. Two Two Face movies. Catwoman, The Penguin, The Riddler, Poison Ivy, Mr. Freeze, Ra's Al Ghul and the Scarecrow. I would like to see some of the Bat's other villains make an appearence before someone like Harley Quinn. Especially since a good Harley story requires the Joker - something we will never see again in a Christopher Nolan Batman film.
No, I think we're gonna see something...different. At least I hope so. I'd love to see a Phillip Seymour Hoffman Penguin movie - or a Killer Croc film - or a Deadshot story - Clayface - or Bane. Or, what I'd really love to see in Nolan's universe is Dr. Hugo Strange - the mad psychologist who learns Batman's identity, but wishes to steal it for himself. As much as Nolan's universe hinges around the cracked psychology of the Batman characters, this character would fit right into the creation of it all. As an added bonus, he was actually one of the Batman's first recurring villains - an oft neglected point in fandom as he actually predates The Joker and Catwoman. Either way I want to see the next film go in a different direction rather than trying to duplicate this film's inevitable success. But I REALLY want it to stay as cracked and fractured as it is now, and I personally don't believe Harley belongs in that universe. She's adorable, she's fun. But I can't see her being anything more than an extension of the Joker story - and that is something we sadly have to move on from.
And just in case anyone asks: NO. The joker should not be recast. End of discussion.
You know, I'm always surprised at this question. I've been getting it a lot lately. I totally understand the love of Harley...but a lot of people don't realize she was never part of the Batman world until recently. She is a product of the Batman Animated series of the 90's - a creation of genius animation artist Paul Dini (along with Bruce Timm, but let's be honest, Quinn is SOOOO Dini it hurts) back in 1992. Now for a lot of our audience, that is a substantial part of their Batman universe. But for guys like me who didn't grow up with the character, she is a cool but new addition to a universe that we can't quite get enough of right now.
I mean, we now have 6 batman movies over the course of 19 years - and how many villains have we seen? We've had two Joker movies. Two Two Face movies. Catwoman, The Penguin, The Riddler, Poison Ivy, Mr. Freeze, Ra's Al Ghul and the Scarecrow. I would like to see some of the Bat's other villains make an appearence before someone like Harley Quinn. Especially since a good Harley story requires the Joker - something we will never see again in a Christopher Nolan Batman film.
No, I think we're gonna see something...different. At least I hope so. I'd love to see a Phillip Seymour Hoffman Penguin movie - or a Killer Croc film - or a Deadshot story - Clayface - or Bane. Or, what I'd really love to see in Nolan's universe is Dr. Hugo Strange - the mad psychologist who learns Batman's identity, but wishes to steal it for himself. As much as Nolan's universe hinges around the cracked psychology of the Batman characters, this character would fit right into the creation of it all. As an added bonus, he was actually one of the Batman's first recurring villains - an oft neglected point in fandom as he actually predates The Joker and Catwoman. Either way I want to see the next film go in a different direction rather than trying to duplicate this film's inevitable success. But I REALLY want it to stay as cracked and fractured as it is now, and I personally don't believe Harley belongs in that universe. She's adorable, she's fun. But I can't see her being anything more than an extension of the Joker story - and that is something we sadly have to move on from.
And just in case anyone asks: NO. The joker should not be recast. End of discussion.
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Comment by Sleuth on July 22, 2008 at 5:47pm
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And just in case anyone asks: NO. The joker should not be recast. End of discussion.
Hear effing hear, Carlyle. I don't want to see Joker at all. Certain things should not be touched.
To Gabriel who said:
So will Nolan direct a third film after the huge success of The Dark Knight, or should he quit while he is ahead?
I think The Dark Knight's ending has to be continued. I mean, Batman becoming a villain in the eyes of the city, willingly. Now, that's so interesting, And it's most certainly not a conclusion to the story. It couled take things to a new level I haven't seen in many of the comic book movies I've watched (Spider-man touched it, but seriously I think Nolan could give us a much better and tense version).
To me, it's as enticing as the Joker card in the end of Batman. I really want a third part to Batman in Nolan's vision. If he wants to hang up his gloves after that, so be it.
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Comment by Joshua the Anarchist on July 22, 2008 at 2:25pm -
Hugo Strange would be awesome. Lady Shiva, Mad Hatter, Firefly, maybe a Harley Quinn cameo. I want to see them bring Two-Face back as the main villian, I still don't thing he was given his due. Why does everyone think Philip Seymor Hoffman would make a good Penguin? I'd get Timothy Spall, he's got the look for it.
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Comment by Sabine on July 22, 2008 at 12:25pm -
To me, its seems like the movie would open up to having Two Face back as the villain, to me it seems like his story is not over yet
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Comment by Keith on July 22, 2008 at 12:20pm
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Kevin Bacon as the Riddler
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Comment by The Rafael on July 22, 2008 at 10:28am -
but wait wait wait, what about Two Face? is he going to be in the next installment?
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Comment by Zero on July 22, 2008 at 7:53am -
@Andrew-
Andrew are you sure that wasn't Carlyle leaving Korey's apartment after "A Couple of Cold Ones"?
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Comment by FlashMasterJ on July 22, 2008 at 7:51am -
.................just as I thought.................
BANE would present a much greater threat to Batman than before. In the "Knightfall" story arc, BANE wound up taking over the Gotham City underground. I was Sooooo pissed off that they made him a mindless meatsack (3rd movie).
I remember how all the comic book fans were in shock when BANE "broke the bat". Batman is a complicated character....it would be interesting to see some humility in him as he gets defeated....(pwned actually)..... and then rise from that situation using his intellect over his martial arts training.
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Comment by Andrew on July 22, 2008 at 3:25am -
Actually I would love to see a Bane movie similar to Knightfall where Bane is intelligent and not the zombie freak of the "batman and robin" movie, with Bane making Batman run the gauntlet, until he is too tired to fight. And just for the hell of it, have batman lock himself down in the batcave from getting hooked on venom (remember where he comes out all beardy and throthing at the mouth).
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Comment by Andrew on July 22, 2008 at 3:12am
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I would love to see a dark and gritty bat-mite movie.
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Comment by James on July 22, 2008 at 2:15am -
Blackmask, Penguin(not like Burton's Penguin), Bane(also done right), any of those would be good for me. Maybe Riddler.
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