If it's crap ... We'll tell you
Adam Collins joined RYAN CORDERMAN's groupA civil discussion about race and other social impacts of Tarantino's slave revenge fantasy. No rants, no arguments, no hostility. Just a talk where everyone respects and tries to understand the other person's opnion.
Okay, there's one rant, but I get that out the way early. Please share your feedback below. Thanks!
- Korey
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Comment by frank zop on January 3, 2013 at 3:18am the word is nigger if your going to write out "the -N word " you might as well just write it out ..
This is getting fucking stupid I feel like I'm living in the world of the "emperor's new clothes ".
The movie was great the use of the word was in context to what was going on and made perfect sense the movie was fantastic .
If you're black or white and can't enjoy the movie because of a couple of lines of dialogue .. that's your lose .
The overall message was not just black n white it was many things together giving a human like story to a comic book type universe .
It could have been made by somebody like Spike Lee but it wasn't and that seems to be the real elephant in the room here that everyone dancing around , And surprisingly it's coming mostly from people who lambast others for not acknowledging achievements made by somebody because of race or gender.
I'm saddened that I'm reminded of that kind of hypocrisy by people over reacting to a movie that was created to inspire the exact opposite effect .
Comment by Gregory Alford on January 3, 2013 at 12:16am The irony is Korey said it himself some of his favorite movies are blaxploitation films so are Quentin Tarantino's. So why would you get mad at him for doing something in his films that you liked in other films? That doesn't make any sense.
Comment by Gregory Alford on January 3, 2013 at 12:13am @ Zenther
I think you misunderstood what I was saying man. I never said word do not have any merit to them or do they hurt anyone. I was saying the one word such as nigger or any other derogatory insult should not be the main focus of racism. First of all let me ask you this when has the word nigger ever denied a black person the right vote, the right to by housing, the right to a better education, the to have the same jobs as any other person and be treated like an equal human being? To answer the question never. For too long people have let words out weigh the actions. Like for instance instead of complaining about the usage of the nigger in movies. Lets talk about why so many African American Actors and Actresses are not recognized in Hollywood for their performances? Or any other minority group for that matter. Look at the amount whit female actresses that are famous for absolutely nothing when don't even act i.e. Megan Fox and Miley Cyrus. Even Kim Kardashian as another. A fresh white new face shows up in Hollywood all the time. But you rarely see that many new minority actors getting career boost. Just look at IMDB they're so many different black actors and actresses out there it's not even funny. And I am sure you rarely see them in films or t.v shows. All I am saying why isn't Korey ranting on that instead of just a one word. Korey sounds like he took a page out of the Spike Lee playbook and just want to complain about a small issues that really isn't a big issues than complain about the real ones.
Also in regards to Korey the same way you felt about the portrayal of blacks in Tarentino's film like Samuel L. Jackson as the Uncle Tom was the same way I felt about Denzel Washington in "Training Day" But you don't mind him that one of your favorite movies. Look how corrupt he was in that film to the point he caused more harm to his own community than other racist white cops did. To me he was no different than Samuel L, Jackson character in DJANGO UNCHAINED. However what makes Korey sound like a hypocrite is when he tries to justify one wrong doing over another. That's what I have a problem with. Korey also states that some of his favorite films are blaxploitation films. Which to me are the epitome of why the black race has been subjected to think all we are nothing but Drug Dealers, Pimps, and Prostitutes that kill one another. Those kinds of characters are all throughout blaxploitation cinema. They are even worse.
Comment by MahMahAfro on January 2, 2013 at 7:52am Great call in show Korey, really enjoyed hearin ur opinion on the subject - one thing Id like to hear ur thoughts on and that I'm really surpirsed never came up is the influence of popular music on how opinions of the n-word have changed in peoples minds. When huge stars like Kanye West and 50 Cent have number 1 smash hits with the n-word used dozens of times, that surely goes towards a lot of people gettin confused about the nature of the word and believing it's no longer deemed as offensive. So Korey, what I really wanna know is, what do u think about rappers and other black musicians who use the n-word, and do u think they are partly or largely responsible for a lot of confusion amongst white people where that word is concerned?
Comment by MahMahAfro on January 2, 2013 at 7:35am I wouldn't say "honky" and "white boy" are impossible to be used in a position of power - I was called such things by black kids in school before being beat the shit out of by them - no hard feelings :)
Comment by MahMahAfro on January 2, 2013 at 6:52am As for the 'cartoony' treatment of the era of slavery being so offensive and innapropriate Korey, I can't help but think of all the cartoonishly over the top and comical representations of Nazis and the Third Reich - what with the holocaust and all the other hideous atrocities they were responsible for, and not to mention it was more recent historically than slavery, should people (especially Jewish people) be as offended by, for example, Iron Sky, or even the Indiana Jones films, as you are offended by what that caller had to say about Django Unchained? I kinda think not...
Comment by Elie S Ducos on January 2, 2013 at 6:33am Well it's a really "american" debate... Here in France, n*** is not considered that offensive (but still we did participate in the slave trade, and we have huge communities of north africans and africans living with us)... What I find a little hard to understand, is that Tarantino can't really be misunderstood as racist! I mean he did Jackie Brown which is maybe the best celebration of Afro American pop culture in mainstream cinema in decades! If there were any clue that he could be in fact racist I wld understand. But its for the worst a lack of judgment from it part... And what to say about the black comedians that are allways working with him and using this word ? Are they racist too ? Arent they to blame ?
Comment by MahMahAfro on January 2, 2013 at 6:18am The whole mimicry/homage/rip-off thing is a lot older than Tarentino - Scorsese and Spielberg lifted many shots and scenes from European cinema, DePalma spent his whole career rippin off Hitchcock and was praised for his homage to the Odessa Steps sequence from Battleship Potempkin in The Untouchables, and Orson Welles based Citizen Kane (very unofficially) on William Randolph Hearst - Tarentino is certainly more blatent about it than most, but he didn't start it.
Comment by Zenther on January 2, 2013 at 2:44am @ Gregory Alford
"When did words ever hurt anyone?"
Well that's not entirely true. Yes, words obviously can't "physically" hurt anyone, but you can't deny that words do hold a certain kind of punch. First, let me make on thing perfectly clear; I'm not advocating that the word be completely stripped from the English language or anything extreme like that. Despite how the horrible history that the N-word has, you should have the right to say it...however.
What we need to keep in mind is that, like so many other derogatory terms, there should be some amount of respect towards the word. And by respect, I mean that we have to understand that by using that word, we carry with it it's history and everything else that goes along with it. It's kind of like that episode in South Park were Stan's dad accidently uses the N-word on a game show. There's a great line towards the end that I think really hit the nail on the head quite nicely, "I get it, Token. I don't get it. I'll never understand what it's like for someone to use the N-word"
And this isn’t the first time they’ve touched on speech either. South Park actually did an episode years before this about curse words; were in their world, curse words were actually cursed and if used too much, they would free some horrible beast.
Everybody wikipedia this name "William 'April' Ellison". A former slave turned entrepreneur who owned more than 60 slaves, supported the Confederacy, donated more than $9000 to the war effort and used the prestige of his family to admit his grandson into the 1st South Carolina Artillery Army of the South. In 1820 after his master freed him he changed his name from April (slaves were commonly named after the month they were born in) to William Ellison Jr. the name of his former owner.
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