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Comment by SpikeGhost on January 7, 2013 at 5:22pm

LONG LIVE THE LEAGUE! Great show again guys. 

Comment by Lady Stark on January 7, 2013 at 4:49pm

@TheDarkAdonis

Yes, "voice of her generation" was a joke within the show, but HBO marketed the show under that premise apart from that joke. Also, the hype around the show is largely part of that premise. Girls isn't being the "sacrificial lamb" for its lack of diversity. As others have said Friends, Sex in the City, and others have all been criticized for the exact same thing, however perhaps because of social media the criticisms of girls is getting more attention and is more well known. Or perhaps people are shocked at the lack of progress.

I think people who are critical of Girls understand that it isn't a "social outrage" and by having a conversation about its lack of diversity on spill, is hardly treating it as such. However Girls is part of a much larger problem and the fact you and others seem to think its understandable and/ or acceptable for a 26 year old woman to be so willfully ignorant, that to her writing a "black chick" would be like asking her to write a mystical creature, proves just that.

Comment by SpikeGhost on January 7, 2013 at 4:23pm

You can blame Jennifer's body being meh as much on the directing than the writing though. 

Comment by TheDarkAdonis on January 7, 2013 at 4:15pm

@Lady Stark

Isn't it a bit unfair to conflate all writers? Dunham writes autobiographical mumblecore tripe which is hardly diving in the deep end inspiration-wise. Certainly not worldbuilding on par of Lord of the Rings. Asking her to write a black chick probably is like asking her to write a mythical creature.

And as loathe as I am to defend the show, the race criticism (while valid) is a bit of a red herring. What makes this show the. sacrificial lamb for its lack of diversity when it's an unfortunately common trend? Even a show like Breaking Bad, despite a fair bit of diversity, strikes me as a "white" show. And I always took the "voice of a generation" line as self-deprecatory and ironic.

Now personally, I don't feel drawn to a show about listless 20somethings being shitty where consensual sex is portrayed with all the warmth and mutual respect of a scene from Irreversible. That, and it not being particularly witty/funny. No need to pretend it's social outrage. Just boredom.

Comment by SpikeGhost on January 7, 2013 at 3:48pm

I love Elementary, i love how they make the villains smart, how they make Sherlock a prick sometimes but have the other characters not take his shit and even forcing him to apologize. I love the slow building relationship between Joan and Sherlock. I love how they made Sherlock's drug problem a big part of the show. etc. 

Comment by SpikeGhost on January 7, 2013 at 3:32pm

Cyrus, rewatch the whole series you will see hints that the observers are preparing something. It's VERY subtle but it's there.

Comment by dafroman on January 7, 2013 at 3:25pm

Loved the Game of Thrones and AHS discussions, but would have loved to hear more Community talk. I'd love to sit down with some of these shows you guys are mentioning, like Justified and Mad Men, but you're exactly right. There is just so much great stuff on television now, it's so hard to find time to catch everything. Entertaining show as always!

Comment by Mihon on January 7, 2013 at 3:05pm

Oki, since I don't seen much tv this year I though I list my favorites of the past year that I did see;
The Walking Dead
Broadwalk Empire
The Borgias
Person of Intrest
Arrow

Comment by Lady Stark on January 7, 2013 at 2:53pm

I love how writers can write all sorts of different creatures and worlds, but ask them to write a person with a different race or background as them, and suddenly we are expecting too much.  Whatever.

Comment by Lady Stark on January 7, 2013 at 2:51pm

@Dr. Detink I guess that's where you and I differ, because in this day in age I do expect a 26 year old college educated woman to be able to write people who happen to look different than her.  PoC are just like white people, with some different cultural norms and history, so it's not that hard.   So yeah, I expect more and if she couldn't do that HBO shouldn't have given her a show. Fuck even Pretty Little Liars has one of the main characters a Filipino girl, (she's a lesbian too!) and all her friends are rich and white.  It doesn't take anything away from the show and it's not "forced", but it allows more of the audience to feel represented, and having positive representation in the media is very important to a person's well being (see like 1000 studies).  That's on fucking ABC Family, so why HBO can't do it is beyond me.

Still even if I could buy your point, it wouldn't change the fact that:

1.) Girls is still problematic

2.) people still have the right to call Girls out that it's problematic

3.) hbo marketed the show to speak for all modern women, and they shouldn't have done that given Dunhum's limitations as a writer.

4.) there are hardly any PoC in the background.  No one can really justify there way out of  that.

5.) people are not out of line or overrating for not wanting to watch a show that lacks diversity, just because the writer is a sheltered rich girl with limited talent.  I say this because some have implied that Greg was overreacting or whatever to this issue, when he wasn't.

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