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Comment by Dave Koehorst on November 16, 2012 at 7:56am

Highly interesting review here. You guys express your different viewpoints so well, and it totally drew me in and made the ol' wheels star to turn. A genuine thank you for your service to my generation! You rock

Comment by ghostwriter on November 16, 2012 at 6:44am

Brian just gave away the sequel to Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter....Abraham Lincoln The Underworld Railroad.

Korey's Wikipedia knowledge is amazing!  :)

Lincoln actually wanted to ship the slaves back to Africa or create a nation state for them in the Carribean.

Great review guys!

This one's for you, Co-Host!

I do want to see ths.

Comment by 31 on November 16, 2012 at 6:10am

of course you guys made a vampire joke

Comment by Dredd on November 16, 2012 at 5:16am

It's a shame that many Americans (as in the general public) don't know much about Lincoln these days as he was an amazing individual. It's nice to see a movie about the political aspect of this conflict and not simply the battles. We have a bunch of movies on those so it was about time that someone tackled this period from a different angle.

@ Korey - I don't see how the title of the movie is misleading. The trailer and the synopsis itself makes it's clear that the movie will focus on the political battle behind the 13th Amendment. I mean, we've had a number of movies centred around real or fictional characters which had the man/woman's name in the title that simply focused on one event or a particular period in the person's life.

@ Leon and Co-Host 3000 - Disagree that the movie should have delivered big battles just because Spielberg was directing it. It wasn't the point of this movie. Leon, Spielberg didn't want to focus too much on the toils of slavery to stay true to the book it is based on and to avoid having it look too much like Amistad.

Comment by Toe Knee Bee Ears on November 16, 2012 at 5:10am

@Zgamer I think you're not getting Co-Host and Leon's point. I think it was Co-Host that said that “film is a visual media.” One quote that I hear a lot about movies is "It's better to show than tell." It's OK to hear someone tell about a battle but to actually see the battle is more affective. Or to paraphrase Leon, It's OK to hear about the suffering of slaves but, to actually see the brutal way that they were treated would be more impactful.

It's not that Co-Host and Leon wants to see a cool, bloody, gorey battle with crazy martial arts and big explosions like in a big silly Michael Bay action movie. NO not at all.

It's quite the opposite. They want to see the real ugly brutality and horror of war to help them feel what it must have been like during this awful and terrible this time in our country's history. They want to see the suffering of the slaves to better give them the feel of what it must have been like to be a slave. So that they can better appreciate the sacrifices made by these men.

Co-Host and Leon's point is not about seeing action. It's about feeling emotion through the film's visuals.   

Comment by keh006 on November 16, 2012 at 4:28am

Seemed like Leon and Cohost were just bored with the movie, they needed a KABOOM to make things interesting.

Comment by Lordblazer on November 16, 2012 at 4:06am

You know what Patrick.. Forget you. Seriously I'm tired of hearing people tell me "look no one cares about your black asses"  because that's kinda what you're saying here.  Look yea slavery undermines the poor, and everyone pays for it.  That was the problem with a lot of the old south.You had a shit ton of unemployed poor whites. Anyway I'm siding with Leon. I'm tired of having someone tell me "it's a privilege so don't complain but you better admit you can't do shit without white ppl"  Because yes Patrick, that is what you are saying in subtext.

Anyway this review is quite good. I am going to sit this one out. I'm tired of hearing people tell me "civil war was never about slavery"  I like Korey's point overall about what this movie really is about and what it isn't.   Cohost. This is a political movie not an action film. This does remind me of Star Wars Episode 1.    I do kinda want to see battles.

Comment by Gabriel Hugh-Kong on November 16, 2012 at 3:56am

i donno about cohost and leon in this review i feel like they spent more time talking about what they wanted to see rather than acutally reviewing the movie

Comment by Zgamer on November 16, 2012 at 3:41am

Um...Co-Host and Leon, I think you guys are missing the point. Co-Host in particular, youre complaining that a movie focused on politics doesn't have enough action scenes and its because you expect action scenes from Spielberg? Yeah, I'm siding with Korey and Brian on this one. The film is about THE EMANCIPATION PROCLAMATION, not the Civil War. They are fully entitled to mention things about battles, but if the battles are not the main focus then you don't need them. Showing the intro battle is a narrative device to add weight and severity to the choice of passing the amendment, not to discuss Civil war battle strategies. Watch Gettysburg or Glory or any other civil war film for that. It's like saying Charlie Wilson's War didn't have enough scenes of the Afghans fighting the Russians. It was about Charlie Wilson and this film is pointedly about the 13th amendment.

I do hope to see the film tomorrow (or today based on what time it is), but seriously I have no idea what you guys thought you were expecting with this. I knew this would be a politics focused film so I'm expecting to go in with that in mind. Sorry, I'm not trying to seem like an avid Spielberg fanboy (I didn't like War Horse either), but something about the criticisms you pointed out like the battles felt like you came in expecting something completely different and judged this based on that expectation. It feels wrong.

Comment by randy on November 16, 2012 at 3:26am

Silver Linings Playbook is a dark dramedy with family issues and directed by the guy who did the fighter, so I have no doubt it was probably the movie Leon loved.

 

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