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Comment by Liquid on May 3, 2012 at 6:10pm

I honestly don't see Bruce finding as much consolation or revelation in the scene described above as Whedon would like him too. Bruce witnessed his parents murdered at gunpoint by a grown man. The image of the smoking gun established a lifelong aversion to guns. Stopping a bunch of little kids threatening a little girl with slingshots or what have you wouldn't have made him feel any better about being able stop his parents' murderer. He wasn't up against kids stuff anymore in his mind. For the remainder of his life he became a serious, brooding character determined to work hard for the necessary skills to stop the "man holding the gun" without resorting to using one himself.

It took YEARS of training to become Batman and in his world little Bruce learned quickly that you'll get your butt kicked or end up dead if you're not prepared. If anything, one of the biggest themes about Bruce/Batman is that his hard work and preparation beforehand is what will beat most of his enemies before the damn game has even started. Which is why I appreciate Nolan's take on villians with genius and long thought out plans beforehand like Rhas, Joker and Bane who can take Batman to the test. This entire concept just doesn't fit with Whedon's scene where little Bruce with no training or preparation is suddenly little batman beating up bullies unscathed. To be clear Whedon's a fine talent but I can understand the studio's decision to go with Nolan's vision on the project.

Comment by Quicksandbuddy on May 3, 2012 at 5:03pm

@Daedalus Ciarán Now, Flash, Whedon would be awesome for.

Comment by Thomas Earl on May 3, 2012 at 5:02pm

You need the right director at the right time for the right hero. . . . It it doesn't fit, it just doesn't . . less we return to the several preNolan Batman movies.

Comment by Quicksandbuddy on May 3, 2012 at 5:01pm

@jkenny09 I wanted to like it. I really did. But there was nothing subtle about Firefly at all. I was expecting Cowboy Bebop where it's Western in tone and themes. Then I saw horses on other planets, cowboy clothes, sabre duels, and Nathan Fillion's terrible, random cowboy accent and couldn't get past the 8th episode. The whole time it felt like Whedon was slapping me in the face, yelling, "GET IT!? IT'S A WESTERN! BUT IT'S IN SPACE! AREN'T I CLEVER!"

And that's my biggest problem with Joss Whedon: he's a clever writer who knows he's clever. And that's rarely ever a good thing.

But that's just my opinion. I can see why people like him and won't begrudge them that. 

Comment by Daedalus Ciarán on May 3, 2012 at 5:01pm

I agree with OdO, and Dr. Detfink, and most of the other people below to be honest. Out of context it's a powerful scene, but in a larger story Bruce's rise as Batman, or perhaps simply Batman's rise, is much better for coming from the huge depression and cowardice in Bruce's adulthood, ala Batman Begins, than it would be coming from a twelve year old child who's just beaten up two other kids. In BB Bruce tries to run from his problems 'cause he feels powerless, even as a grown man, and that makes his turn towards fighting crime much more powerful, and gets the audience onside much quicker. Whedon's comedic side would probably ruin Batman. Angel is a good person to compare with. Look how many times they made Angel a comedic character, or made him something of a buffoon. Something like Flash I could definitely see working though. Maybe Green Arrow.

Comment by Quicksandbuddy on May 3, 2012 at 4:52pm

Also, Bruce isn't supposed to be a quippy smart-alec, which you know Whedon would have made him. He's either serious or downright brooding when he isn't sleeping around. Chris Nolan and his writers found a nice balance in his character, making him serious, but likable and sincere. Alfred, Dick, and Selina are the ones who handle all the snark.

Dr. Detfink echoes my thoughts exactly. That scene sounds like it's from an 80s movie. Personally, I absolutely hate scenes of superheroes as children. They're never not cheesy (thank God the cringe-worthy one in Thor was mercifully short). I could handle those scenes in Batman Begins because they were soaked in pathos. Whedon's scene is much too cute.  

Comment by I'm Batman on May 3, 2012 at 4:48pm

I'm surprised that Joss who has had success in t.v. but has never had to deal with a movie on such a epic scale and right out of the gate he is very successful.  

Comment by Quicksandbuddy on May 3, 2012 at 4:39pm

I think Whedon would have been all wrong for Batman. Of course, I don't like Dr. Horrible or Firefly, so I might be on the outside here. It's difficult for me not to think of him as overrated.

Comment by the Mindful Lunatic on May 3, 2012 at 4:15pm

When they do the Batman reboot, GET WHEDON! That would be pretty kickass. I'm a huge fan of Nolan's batman films myself, but it would be really cool to get his interpretation.

Comment by Ha-Ra on May 3, 2012 at 4:10pm

I think it would have been cool to see a scene like that...they are afterall planning on rebooting the series after Nolan is done, so might as well give the gig to the runner-up who also made a blockbuster comic book movie on his own

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