"You see the thing is that you've mistaken me for someone who only likes light toned comic book movies. That is very far from the truth. I love both dark and light toned comic book movies. I love dark toned comic book movies like The Crow, Dark…"
"I'm sorry I haven't responded to your post until now.
I agree with you that the war and the Nazis were glossed over. But, just because the Captain America movie had a light tone that doesn't make it campy. And just because a movie is…"
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I live in Buffalo, NY. We're primarily known for snow and the chicken wing. You can see why I want to get out of Buffalo. I'm also a geek for comics, videogames, movies etc. Spill seems like a really nice community.
All Time Favorite Movies:
Just a few...maybe more than a few...
Akira, Aladdin, Alien, Aliens, Annie Hall, Argo, Back to the Future, Bernie, Blade Runner, Cabin in the Woods, Casino Royale, Chinatown, The Dark Knight Trilogy, The Departed, The Descendants, District 9, Django Unchained, Drive, Escape from New York, Fargo, Ferris Bueller's Day Off, Fight Club, A Fistfull of Dollars, The Fly, For a Few Dollars More, From Russia with Love, Gangs of New York, The Godfather:1&2, Goldfinger The Good, the Bad and the Ugly, Goodfellas, The Incredibles, Inglorious Basterds, The Invisible Man, The Iron Giant, Jackie Brown, The Lion King, Live and Let Die, The Lord of the Rings Trilogy, Memento, Misery, Night of the Living Dead, Predator, The Prestige, Princess Mononoke, Pulp Fiction, Raiders of the Lost Ark, The Road Warrior, Shaun of the Dead, Seven Samurai, Silver Linings Playbook, The Spy Who Loved Me, Skyfall, Star Wars Original Trilogy, Spirited Away, The Thing, Unforgiven
All Time Worst Movies:
Alien vs. Predator: Requiem, Batman Forever, Batman and Robin, Battlefield Earth, Catwoman, Disaster Movie, Dreamcatcher, The Happening, Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, The Last Airbender, The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, The Matrix Reloaded/Revolutions, Sherlock Holmes, Spider-Man 3, Star Wars Prequels, Sucker Punch, Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen, Twilight: New Moon, Watchmen
I feel sad now...
Favorite Actors or Actresses:
Christian Bale, Jennifer Lawrence, Jack Nicholson, Mila Kunis Michael Caine, Kathy Bates, Al Pacino, Sigourney Weaver, Robert De Niro, Meryl Streep, Jeffrey Tambor, Shirley MacLaine, George Clooney, Judi Dench, Ian Holm, Helen Mirren, Robert Downey Jr., Marion Cotillard, Philip Seymour Hoffman, Clint Eastwood, Morgan Freeman, Jeff Goldblum, Gary Oldman, Javier Bardem, Harrison Ford, Josh Brolin, Edward Norton, Matt Damon, Judi Dench, Ian McKellen
David Fincher, Peter Jackson, Christopher Nolan, John Hughes, Marin Scorsese, Quentin Tarantino, Brad Bird, Sergio Leone, Woody Allen
You see the thing is that you've mistaken me for someone who only likes light toned comic book movies. That is very far from the truth. I love both dark and light toned comic book movies. I love dark toned comic book movies like The Crow, Dark Knight, and Blade. But I also love light toned comic book movies like Superman, Spider-man, and The Avengers.
Believe it or not, I think that some comic book movies are too light in tone. For example, the trailer for "The Wolverine" looks too light in tone, too high-tech, and too clean. A Wolverine movie should be dark in tone and look dark ad gritty.
I don't like campy comic book movies like Batman & Robin, Dick Tracy, and Flash Gordon. There is a difference between a light toned comic book movie and a campy comic book movie. I think you might not know the deference. A light toned comic book movie has a lighter tone but is still serious and takes the source material seriously. A campy comic book movie doesn't take the source material seriously and is even sometimes a parody of the source material. Do you understand?
Captain America: The First Avenger is NOT a campy comic book movie. It is light toned comic book movie. It took the source material seriously. Dance numbers and sci-fi weapons don’t make a movie campy. Batman Begins had a play with dancing bat-like devils in tights swinging on ropes and a sci-fi device that evaporated water, is it campy? Dark Knight had the joker wearing a dress and sci-fi sonar cell phones, is it campy?
I'm all about the appropriate tone for the character. Some comic book character's movies should have a dark tone like Batman, Punisher, and Wolverine, while other characters should have a lighter tone like Superman, Spider-man, and Captain America.
I never said comic book movies cannot deviate away from the comics. I said they should stick close to the comic book. Again, there is a big difference.
Although it might be based off Brubaker's story I guarantee you that it defiantly will not be a direct translation. Nor should it be. It will be a mix of stories. It will be different and you should be prepared for that.
Sure, I'm fine with Captain America: Winter Solder being a bit darker. It's the second movie is a franchise. The second movie usually is Darker. Some examples of this are The Empire Strikes Back, The Dark Knight, Superman II, Spider-Man 2, and X2.
However, Captain America: Winter Solder Shouldn't be "considerably darker”, no. It should feel like it belongs in the same universe as the first movie. Therefore it cannot have a considerable change in tone. It shouldn’t seem like a totally different movie. That's why Batman: Forever and Batman & Robin didn't fit in with the rest of the Batman franchise. Their change in tone was too drastic.
Again, it’s fine and even appropriate for Winter Solder to be darker but, it can't be too dark. Do you understand?
I'm sorry I haven't responded to your post until now.
I agree with you that the war and the Nazis were glossed over. But, just because the Captain America movie had a light tone that doesn't make it campy. And just because a movie is dark it doesn’t make it good.
Brubaker isn't the only Captain America writer. With a character who has as long of a history like Captain America you have to look at the character's entire run. You can't just look at one writer's version of the character just because that writer is popular and most current. That would be disrespectful to the other writers who came before Brubaker. It makes me sad that you would ignore all the other writers.
The Captain America movie is only one part of an entire film universe. It must fit in tone with the other movies. Joe Johnston was probably extremely restricted with what he can and can't do. Some things he was probably forced to have in the movie. He was probably forced to have Hydra, laser guns, and laser shooting tanks whether he wanted to or not.
The Red Skull is not a deformed burn victim in the comic. Making him that would be inaccurate to the comic. Plus, again, Marvel wouldn't let you do that.
With a big very intricately planed out movie like Captain America that's part of a huge film universe a director doesn't have as much freedom as you might think. For all the films to connect together they have to be planed very carefully. There is no room for someone who wants to forge the film in their own image. While your version of the film might have been good, it would not fit with the other films. Marvel would not allow it.
Lastly, again, Brubaker isn't Captain America's only writer. You need to respect the other writers' work.