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At 7:52am on July 23, 2009, MDS said…
I based a lot of my "Dragonball" stuff one it's reception at the time of it's original release in the US. Maybe that's why it's so "dividing point" for me. Because while a lot of the fans of the show were trying to get people involved, they didn't seem to be interested in people a few years older mentioning other titles.

Which is why my contention against Dragonball (And those that STILL promote it) really happens. The older stuff was ignored and never even looked at, by some. Older stuff was simply tossed aside, and these new "fanatics" became a more vocal group promoting a lesser quality show that became the "norm" at the time.
At 2:25am on July 23, 2009, MDS said…
I write off Dragonball because it's NOT to my liking. I dislike the characters, I dislike the endless repetitive episodes, I dislike the artwork, and I dislike the annoying characters that would pop up say a line or four, then disappear till the next show.

I don't write it off because some other show did it "better". I acknowledge that the older show exists that had a similar story line, that BOTH shows are available to be watched, and that they BOTH have their fan base. That people will be able to enjoy EITHER show, just not me. I don't mandate that you hunt down this particular title to REPLACE another title. I might mention, "Hey, if you liked that show then you might like this one too. It's got a similar story to it, but it's a bit different". If you take my suggestion and watch the show, then bravo. If you ignore the suggestion and don't watch the show, oh well.

The only show that I specifically DO write off because I thought it was done better by an older show is Gundam. And that's because I think that both Megazone 23 and Macross BOTH did a better story with characters that I thought were better handled.

BUT (And this is the key) I came to that conclusion only AFTER actually watching both shows, and formulating my own views. While others might not have the same view, I don't mandate that you HAVE to watch the newer version as the "Better version" that some (not all) people tend to do.
At 2:00am on July 23, 2009, MDS said…
No, I'm distinguishing that people that ONLY focus on the new stuff (People that disregard the older material, or even disregard the unpopular titles) will fall into "New Wave" by the action OF disregarding the other material.

If they acknowledge that the other titles EXIST, and they acknowledge that it IS similar, and they acknowledge that you MIGHT NOT like a new show....then they are "Old Guard".

And while the "New Wave" group WILL automatically shun the older stuff..... the PEOPLE can change their approach and alter the group they are in, and become the "Old Guard" just as easily.


Now, I DID use the Older titles and the Newer titles to show a difference in shows.

For example. The story line of how a guy wants to be the best he can be, but facing multiple people that want to defeat him.

For the "Old Guard/Old Show" I mentioned Speed Racer because that description fits that show. I didn't say you MUST watch it, or that you MUST like it, or even that you MUST acknowledge it ever existed as an animated show.

For the "New Wave/New Show" I mentioned Dragonball, because the description of the show still fits, the people IN that group will say you MUST watch it, that YOU must enjoy it as much as THEY do, and that if you don't enjoy that show...... it's YOUR Fault for not liking the show, and not any problems you see WITH the show.

A single person might go "Oh boy, I was wrong about that... I'm sorry. If you don't like it, oh well at least you gave it a chance". Well, if that is what the single person actually starts to think, he/she will become a part of the "Old Guard" but will be able to use that title for their examples in the future.
At 1:47am on July 23, 2009, MDS said…
Let me state that a LITTLE better.

The groups might be "Set in stone".... but the PEOPLE aren't.
At 1:46am on July 23, 2009, MDS said…
Okay, but there's no indication that someone in Group A must stay in that group for their entire life. They can switch Groups by MINDSET of how they approach something.

Group A (Old Guard) are the ones that understand there are MULTIPLE aspects to enjoy from anime, that tastes differ from person to person, and that if a show is suggested it's NOT a mandated event to watch.

Group B (New Wave) are the ones that dictate that a single title must be MANDATED to watch AND enjoyed. If you don't like that title, it's because YOU are at fault, NOT the show. And they are either unwilling to acknowledge OTHER titles or unable to understand that other titles MIGHT be better.

You can slip from one group to the other, not only be a certain title, but also by your actions to promote a title. They (The groups of people) are not set in stone because they are flexible.
At 1:34am on July 23, 2009, MDS said…
Granted it's my blog, but I fail to see this so called "Hypocrisy" that you claim. I point out that the people of the old ways would suggest a show... if you watched it or not, they moved on. The new ways are more aggressive and somewhat insulting if you DO NOT like a show.

There's a clear difference beginning with the way the person making the suggestion approaches the second person. Some people are easily able to say "Nah, not for me" and walk away. Others aren't able to do that. That's not saying that EITHER way is the "Best way".

I guess, it's a manor of which it's approached. I'll mention going out to see a movie (or anime) to someone. It's up to them to actually watch it. If they don't, we never talk about it again. If they DO watch it and we DO talk about it, we might make another suggestion down the road.
At 1:01am on February 2, 2009, MDS said…
See that's the problem, it's not that I'm trying to change other people's opinions. I was asked to express mine by Korey in the Acoco... I did, and wham! It's now an issue of constantly trying to defend my point of view by people that tend to think that personal attacks will be the path to take instead of pointing to the 'flaws' in my logic regarding the movie.
At 12:27pm on February 1, 2009, MDS said…
There's no differences in 'fanboys' of TDK and Godfather, except possibly maturity. You don't like the Godfather? Okay, that's fine... I don't feel this 'need' to prove how wrong you are or attack you personally. I might discuss the movie itself, and the points I believe you missed in the Godfather movies, but I don't think Godfather-fanboys will attack your personal live.
At 12:15am on February 1, 2009, MDS said…
Okay, I see the difference of views.

The Fanboy "Aspects" of the second blog was an updated approach to separate the actual movie itself and the cultural feeling surrounding the popularity OF the movie.

You can take the 'aspect' part of the second blog and just get how I feel about the fanboys. As far as the film itself, it's just the "points" to pay attention to.
At 11:59pm on January 31, 2009, MDS said…
I understand that.

My point is that fanboys WERE talking over and over about the 3rd movie and not TDK when it was still in the theaters. It's why the LEOG, ACOCO, and other podcasts always seem to mention "As long as it's not about the next Batman villian" whenever they start to go over the e-mailed questions. We got flooded with it, and it's still leaves a bad taste. Granted, it's started to fade, but the memories are still fresh.
 
 

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