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Permalink Reply by Lord of Winterfell on March 1, 2012 at 1:13am

Just thought I'd throw out there in case no one had mentioned them yet, River Tam from Serenity (Summer Glau), Selene from Underworld (Kate Beckinsale), Ramona Flowers from Scott Pilgrim (Mary Elizabeth Winstead) and Lisbeth Salander from the original Girl w the Dragon Tattoo (Noomi Rapace, not that other bitch)  

Permalink Reply by BleakGod on March 1, 2012 at 5:27am

Dear LEOG,

I am genuinely curious as to why Sucker Punch is seen as sexist and demoralizing to women, instead of being seen as another heroine movie. To me is was just a culture mash movie that yes, had an abysmal script outside the fantasy sequences, but I never thought it took the leap from women finding a way to fight an oppressive life to sex with guns in the way. Thanks and may the LEOG eventually have a counter LEOL.

LONG LIVE THE LEAGUE!

Permalink Reply by Waylander on March 1, 2012 at 6:50am

It seems to me that "Iron ladies" are becoming more popular in cartoons, what are some of your favorite examples. Mine would have to be ALL the female characters in 'avatar the last air bender' all had great story arcs and some of the females were in fact stronger than the male characters. Also sandy from SpongeBob SquarePants if that counts :P

Permalink Reply by Kimura-Triangle on March 1, 2012 at 12:01pm

Hey League! It's been a while. :)

My question is thus: There is a lot of debate over whether certain female characters depicted as "strong" are simply written as dudes with boobs. There was an earlier question by CH Gorog about how tough women can maintain their femininity, but I think the issue reaches deeper than that. Do themes that are associated with women have to be integrated into strong female characters in order to stamp that character as female? An example being the maternal aspect which was worked into Ellen Ripley's character in Alien.

Also on the Dudes With Boobs bent, do you think it's just our own cultural stereotypes that associate assertiveness and aggression with men that cause us to slap the DWB moniker on a female character when she shows those traits, or is it something else?

Sorry for the long read, but hope it gives some good material for discussion.

LONG LIVE THE LEAGUE!! 

Permalink Reply by Heath Ferris on March 1, 2012 at 1:56pm

Dear the lady Kat,

This is a question I am interested in from a historical standpoint and though that you might know something about. What was the first novel that had a woman as the protagonist. I've recently been turned onto this as a sub-genre of Science Fiction because for English this year we had to read the Handmaids tale and I'm sure that something similar to it must have been written before the 1980's. Anyway thanks for the help long live the league, and all that nonsense.

Permalink Reply by Heath Ferris on March 1, 2012 at 3:51pm

This one is for the gamers of Leog, let's talk about the Asari, that should go off on a nice long tangent. Mass Effect has plenty of kick Ass Females for a lengthy leog tangent.

Permalink Reply by Andrew Galley on March 1, 2012 at 7:33pm

Dear LEOG:

Looking back at 2011 we see that The Iron Lady represented one of the most hard-working women who ever lived, but we also saw Sucker Punch: a film that claimed to be about female empowerment but ultimately treated them as nothing but sex objects.

My question is what other examples do you think there has been where a director/writer/cast has claimed a character(s) to be empowering but they are ultimately wrong.

Permalink Reply by Incorrect reference on March 1, 2012 at 8:51pm

For the Irish in the room, With the Ulster Cycle’s Cattle Raid Of Cooley coming to the big screen the world will be introduced to some ancient Iron Ladies. How would you handle their transition to the big screen

Or

In the leagues opinion are create your own characters in RPGs such as mass effect, SWTOR good or bad examples of Iron ladies as the role is basically sexless.

Permalink Reply by whitewizard on March 1, 2012 at 11:30pm

dear loeg,

what are some overlapping characteristics or themes of strong female heroines/movies.

thanks and as always LONG LIVE THE LEAGUE!

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