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As a deist, I wanted to know how many of my bretheren are on the site. For those who don't know, deists beleive that the universe was created by God in a way to perfect he never has to interfere. Ever. Therefore, there are no real miracles, sons of god, prophets, ect. Basically it is a scientific view of God. So, how many else are there?

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If God created a universe so perfect, why are humans suffering?

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maybe, not so perfect. another fail for science. next they'll be say'n bigfoot ain't real. When will they learn!!!

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Maybe suffering is necessary

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Without suffering and discomfort there would be no drive for improvement. No quest for knowledge.

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That's discouraged in Christianity. Angels do it and they're cast out of Heaven. And I'm sure we've all heard about how followers call themselves "sheep."

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They don't mean it positively though. It's more like a statement about how easily people follow what seems most reasonable or popular. Pretty much what what southpark says about people.
Way I see it, the only difference between southpark and the Bible, is southpark get's censored.

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and the bible has a steady supply of people who tune in once a week

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"Even our pleasures are not immune from suffering.
They give us happiness while they last, but they do not last forever; eventually they must pass away, and when they go the loss leaves us feeling deprived.
Our lives, for the most part, are strung out between the thirst for pleasure and the fear of pain.
We pass our days running after the one and running from the other, seldom enjoying the peace of contentment; real satisfaction seems somehow always out of reach, just beyond the next horizon.
Then in the end we have to die: to give up the identity we spent our whole life building, to leave behind everything and everyone we love."

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The notion of joy wouldn't exist without the one of suffering to contrast it, just like good and evil, war and peace etc.
A world without suffering would be a world without joy, just because you wouldn't have anything to compare the joy with, making it meaningless.

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Deism is a very interesting concept, but I don't know why you would try and pigeon hole the all powerful creator of everything and say it couldn't interfere with its creation.

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thats is not what he is saying kiz

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the universe was created by God in a way to perfect he never has to interfere

Well its pretty damn close... he never said God can't interfere he more, or less said he doesn't need to... ok ill buy that

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