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Permalink Reply by Andrew on September 13, 2011 at 7:54am

As much as I doubt pixar will have the balls to step up and do something like that, I'd see it.
I'd want to see an animated character raging against the world during a one night period, see him do some screwed up stuff.

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Permalink Reply by Einrick Quiznos on September 13, 2011 at 5:36pm

"It could still be good, but, I doubt Brave would be as great as The Bear and the Bow."

 

Neither projects had a full release of their story, or changes, so how would you come to this conclusion?

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Permalink Reply by Einrick Quiznos on September 13, 2011 at 6:23pm

Besides you not reading a full script of either story before or after the changes, none of these reasons hold any true bearing to my question, conclusion-jumper.

 

   Your justification of disliking this movie is very weak seeing as how you have yet to confirm reading or seeing the original draft OR the revised final screenplay. The original could've been decent, but wouldn't have carried over very well with most film-goers. Or it could be just plain bad. Or brilliant. The point is WE DON'T KNOW.

   That's the point I'm trying to make. Despite what happens before a film is made, that doesn't completely shut out it's chance in being good or successful. Pixar's ability in story telling lies within that middle ground of telling a story that reaches the common movie-goer as well as the strict art house movie critic.

   I'm extremely aware in the goings of this project currently in development, have been following it since it's conception, and have seen the reported news over it's changes many months back. It's nothing new. In essence, film development isn't pretty. Bad shit happens, people argue, and are fired over creative differences ALL THE TIME. You've decided early on that you're against this film, without even seeing the finished product(which is the point of the movie going experience, correct? SEEING the movie?).
   At this juncture, though, I got the feeling this is a subject you have dug your boot heels very deeply in, so I'll let it pass.

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Permalink Reply by TheLizardhead on September 13, 2011 at 8:56pm

............. I'm okay with this.

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Permalink Reply by Einrick Quiznos on September 13, 2011 at 5:57pm

   In an artsy or independent film way, I suppose it would. However, if you're in the business to make a good return on your investment(ie, box office), than no. Animated films that Pixar movies create are NOT cheap. Therefore, their stories have to reach not only children(the bulk of their sales), but also be able to connect with adults and people of all ages.

   So if the bulk of their demographic are mostly for children, than the story's protagonist must be easy to understand, and have morals a parent wouldn't mind letting their children take part in. You think a smash and destroy character, with little to no care of others in a film, would be one parents would want their toddlers or children to see? Sure some parents may be open to it, but most wouldn't, and it would result in low ticket sales, and a failure of a movie.

   Should they ever decide to take a mature route, however, and make movies dealing with more adult themes, expect the budget to be much lower than their cash-cow movies, which may result in poorer quality films during this "testing ground" stage. I'd expect their marketing team would probably make a separate branch of film production under Pixar, but with a different name, so as to keep the two from being confused(ie, Pixar brand for family films, and 'X' brand for mature films).

   I'm sure the creative teams at Pixar have pitched mature stories and themes at Pixar's head honchos in management for a while. In most cases, they get shot down, mainly due to the almighty dollar. With this in mind, it still doesn't stop some of these creative types from branching out on their own to make the movie they want to make.

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