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Ok, I labeled this as "comic book universe", but it pretty much counts as a game topic just as much. I have a lot of ideas for the future of the Batman: Arkham game series, and I'm curious what other people think. I want to know what other people want to see in these games, or felt the first two lacked. For all the comic book fans, type away.
SPOILER ALERTS for Batman: Arkham City and current Batman comic
I want the main villains to be Ra's al Guel, Talia, Scarecrow, Man-Bat, Red Hood, Black Mask, Killer Croc, Hush, Harley Quin, and the Jokers return in the main storyline (if Mark Hamill changes his mind and comes back, of course). Also, Damian Wayne's storyline could work in the game (the current Robin, and the child of Bruce and Talia).
Hush's cameo clearly implied he would have a major role in the next game, and a hidden message showed Scarecrow would return with a vengeance. We haven't seen Man-Bat at all in this series, and he could be a good boss fight. Since we didn't have him at all in the first two games, I don't think a side mission would be enough, we should have to fight him in the storyline at some point. Since we never REALLY fought Croc in Asylum, and he only got a cameo in Arkham City, a real boss fight with him would be cool. As for Joker, his return would simply be awesome if it happened. And with Ra's al Guel, it wouldn't be difficult resurrecting Joker anyways. Harley, however (to those who completely beat Arkham City) is pretty much guaranteed a return.
To those who don't know, the villain Red Hood is Jason Todd, the second Robin. He was killed by the Joker. After getting resurrected by Talia, Jason became the villain/anti hero Red Hood (Joker used to go by the name Red Hood before he fell in acid and became the Joker).
The only big villains we haven't seen at all are Red Hood, Deathstroke, Firefly, and Man-bat (well, with Clock King, Killer Moth and Cluemaster for some). I think Red Hood could work well in the main plot of the game, with the others in side missions (with characters like Black Mask, Scarface, Azrael and Deadshot getting expanded roles as well).
Lucius Fox should be prominently featured in the game. As for Nightwing and Oracle, it would be cool to see their history. And for the fans, the current Batwoman could be introduced as well. By the end of the game, the Batman family (in the Arkham series) could consist of Batman, Oracle, Nightwing, Robin (Damian Wayne), Red Robin (Tim Drake), and Batwoman. Well, and then there's Catwoman.
I don't have any ideas for a main plot or motive of the game, but the characters Damian Wayne, Ra's al Ghuel, Talia, Red Hood, and Joker could work REALLY well together in one game. Their story's all intertwine, they would just WORK in the same game. I think this would be best focus for a third entry. So, that's the general idea I would like a third entry in the Batman: Arkham series to be.
Anyone who has any other ideas for this game series, feel free to type away :)
I would like a more hands on boss fight with Killer Croc, like an underwater grappling match with quick time mechanics thrown in.
I'd also like to face Man-Bat in a midair freefall boss fight above the streets of Gotham.
And I wouldn't mind a side mission where you're actually matching wits with Bane.
I completely agree, I just don't know about Bane. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE the villain, but we already got a straight up boss fight with him in the first game. If we get Bane again. I would prefer him taking over Hugo Strange's role (he dead) as the villain messing with Batman the whole game, mentally. I agree, a battle of wits and intelligence is the only real good way to bring Bane back (if they wanted to).
I know Blackmask was featured in one of the challenge maps but I would love to see him & The Ventriloquist maybe a gang war type scenario.
Also Firefly while one of the sillier Batman bad guys would make for a visually awesome boss fight.
And one last thing can we get a Batmobile section in the next Arkham game.
Great ideas. And you're right, although Firefly is one of the more silly Batman villains, considering they used Calenderman, Firefly doesn't seem that bad, lol.
But I agree, he could have a really cool boss fight, visually.
Arkham 3's going to be a prequel
Even so, there is plenty of story opportunity. If it is a prequel, then Damian Wayne wouldn't work. But, the Red Hood story could work, and I would still love to see more of the Batman family.
And yeah, being able to drive the Batmobile would be awesome :)
Yes, a lot of the rumors are batting the term "Silver Age" around the concept. A lot seem to indicate that the story will be about Batman's first encounter with Joker. I'm fine with the Silver Age bit since we've already seen their dark gritty take on so many of these characters and this would present them with an opportunity to show us anything/everything in a new light. Personally though I'd like to see the focus be placed on someone other than the Joker as having lost Mark Hamill and having had the first two games focused on him seems like a good time to give someone else the spotlight.
Mark Hamill said he just wanted to go out on a high note as the Joker. Hell, he was reluctant to return in Arkham City. But, he said if the story is great (if not better) then he will gladly return. As of now, however, he is done. IF they can get Mark Hamill back, then I would love to see him as Joker again. However, if they can't get him back, then I think they should stay away from Joker. Don't get me wrong, I love different interpretations and performances, but in this series, I don't think he should ever get replaced.
As for going the "silver age" direction and including other superheros, I don't think that's a good idea. If something works don't go a different direction. Remember what happend when Schumacher went a different direction with the Tim Burton film series? It just didn't work. For THIS game series specifically, the dark and gothic style works fine, they shouldn't try a different take. Besides, we have the "Injustice: Gods among us" game coming out this year. If that gets it's own series, then I think they should focus on silver age comic stuff with THAT series. I just don't think they should go in drastic different direction with the Arkham series.
I would love a Red Hood storyline.
If they want to dig into some of the weird or obscure villains, Baby Doll. They could rework her into being like a mob boss. Heck, have her team up with the Ventriloquist (another fascinating and tragic villain). They had that one episode in the series where a little person dressed up as Scarface to manipulate him. She could do the same to gain access to his cronies. When the ruse is up, she goes into a fun-house trap using her size to run through tunnels and avoid traps that Batman is impeded by. The trick would be to recognize her movement patterns and set up your own traps in turn, setting up more a puzzle battle than traditional one.
For some comedy levels, they could have Killer Moth. Make him a wannabe Batman with a similar power set. They both have "wings" and use gadgetry. Maybe he can exploit the gargoyles and perches in the room like you. Anywhere you can go he can potentially follow so he can hide in ducts as well as set up demolition traps. The mechanic would be how to out-think the tactics the game has been teaching you all this time. Sorta like the Mr Freeze fight, but this time instead of using every technique taught, he is using those tactics against you.
Wow, great ideas! Like I said, some of these characters wouldn't really work in the main storyline of the game, but they would be GREAT side missions. And yeah, I remember that one Scarface episode, I love it. They showed Scarface pretty prominently in the first two Arkham games, so I would really like to see Ventriloquist have a full side mission.
And I know it's not comic accurate at all, but I LOVED the Killer Moth episode in "The Batman", (Not "the animated series", just "The Batman"). But yeah, he's pretty much the wanna be villain, lol.
I think I have seen about enough of The Riddler (but he's still one of my favorite villains) but I think someone like Cluemaster take over, being the villain to mess with you and have you solve puzzles and stuff. As for Man-Bat, we havn't really had a villain to fight in the air, and I think it could be a very unique and original boss battle, fighting him while gliding over Gotham.
Like I said, IF they can get Mark Hamill back, I think a Red Hood storyline with Jason and the Joker would be AMAZING.
I liked The Batman too. It was different but it has its charm. Also, Killer Moth in the comics got mutated into the human-moth hybrid Charaxes, which I think is the inspiration for that episode. Before then he was sort of a Batman counterpart. He was a high end hired gun due to his advanced gadgetry, and in at least one continuity he was a rich philanthropist who befriended Batman, though I think that was a ruse as his fortune came from robberies. To drive the counterpart thing home he even had a mothmobile, moth cave, and moth signal.
If they do an aerial fight with Man-Bat then they could also recycle that programming into making an aerial fight for Killer Moth, sort of like what they did for Grundy and Clayface. The first few side missions with him could be stopping his heists in his normal form where he uses Batman techniques against the player. During his final fight he gets mutated into Charaxes and you have an aerial battle. I think that would be a fun set of missions.