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The Prometheus Nitpicks....
Hi guys...it's been awhile since I've been here.
After seeing (and enjoying the hell out of) Prometheus, A couple of plot hole moments stuck in my mind. I did a brief google cruise and discovered that ripping the movie to bits is a favorite hobby lately, but for the most part, the plot holes that people are picking out aren't really holes at all. Usually they just seemed to have missed a point or they are calling the poorly excecuted character arcs "holes."
Spoilers ahead.
Three major issues stood out to me the most.
1. Vicker's beloved surgary pod is set for male. I know now that it was really meant for Weyland. I'm assuming that the entire separate life supported pod was really for Weyland, but I think a lot of the Weyland storyline ended up being cut from the main movie. I'm hoping that later extended version will elaborate on that and make the father daughter conflict more substantial. So, not really a hole...more of a reveal orphaned from it's severely amputated arc.
2. In the first urn room (the one with the giant head statue and the decapitated engeneer head) There is a big relief on the wall of a sculpted xenomorph that pretty much resembles the form from the previous movies. This is confusing as many think that the movie is supposed to be showing how it evolves into that particular form through a serious of chance evolutionary opportunities. If it doesn't exist yet, why is its image already rendered on the wall? At one point, the captain states that the engeneers created the parasite goo as a bio weapon. But since he was just making a guess, perhaps that's not how the actual story goes. Taking into account the Alien VS Predator storyline, the xenomorphs existed long before the prometheus incident and were being utualized by a completely different alien race. Perhaps the Engineers came in contact with the xenomorphs (possibly through the Predators's plant and hunt sport) and chose to weaponize something they didn't entirely understand and were overrun by it, much like Weyland corp in the entire series. The DNA restructuring liquid from the begining of the movie was probably the pure form and resulted in a stable, slow growth evolutionary process when added with the humanoid engineer. Added to the xneomorph's unique properties, it is highly volitile, adapatble, and parasitic. That being said, it makes a lot of sense if the nature of the liquid isn't to alter the DNA so much that the resulting animal is far from it's origin creature. The Engineers and humans are remarkably similar in form and temperment despite developing in different environments. The Xnomorph takes on some properties of it's host, but continues to result in basically the same animal despite being melded with a mealworm or being gestated in a human womb. (on that note I need to point out that at no point in this movie does the worm xnomoph and the womb xenomorph come in contact. The idea that the alien "evolves" in a stepladder that goes "worm, human, engineer" is false. It is a more sound assumption that after any of those initial beginnings, the creatures will develop back into their familiar forms within a few generations.
Even if that resolves the alien wall motif, the failure of an actual alien evolution, and the pre existing alien canon, it does not explain what happened to the creatures that burst out of the chests of the piles and piles of engineer bodies. That place should have been a full nest of developed xenomorphs.
3. This is the one that I can't resolve. Near the finale, the last of the engineers takes his iconic place at the horseshoe ship's helm and becomes "The Space Jockey." The movie kind of makes a big deal of it and it's a nice big fat fan moment. The ship crashes and falls into the position it is found in the original Alien. But then the movie takes a big shit all overitself. The Space Jockey leaves his helm and gets nomed by the rediculous CGI wombsquid. So...how can he be found in the future rotted to his chair if he left?
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Permalink Reply by Scrump Bolymeux on -
That's a good point, totally forgot about that.
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Permalink Reply by Cthulhu R'lyeh on -
I really can't get past the whole immortality thing. Then again, nobody does anything sensible in this goddamn movie, so why should Weyland?
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Permalink Reply by District 9 Customer Service on -
This is what bothered me as well. Everyone was so irrational. Men and Women of science are suppose to be the most rational thinking people ever.
The Film demands that we care about things that don't matter to anybody and demands we ignore things that we want to know about. I don't care about Mr. Weyland or his horrible old man makeup, I don't care that Elizabeth is on a never ending crusade to Destroy all Religion. I care about The Engineers, what they were doing, why they were doing it, and what happened to them.
This film refuses to answer questions people want to know and has answers to the questions that nobody asked!
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Permalink Reply by Bagface on -
You do know Elizabeth wasn't trying to "destroy religion". The whole point of her character is that despite everything that has happened to her in her life she still has "faith". Her belief in the Engineers could be interpreted as her "faith" her "religion". The story of Prometheus encompasses the universe and creation itself, I'm glad they didn't take ONE film to answer all the questions about the Alien universe that have piled on over the years. If anything I think this film deserves atleast 2 more sequels to properly answer any questions that need answering. You act like we didn't get ANYTHING answered.
1. We learned what the Engineers look like
2. We learned that they are developing biological weapons for an undisclosed reason
3. We learned that humans are their progeny
4. We learned that they have traveled all over the Universe and we're heading to Earth specifically to destroy it
Should I go on? Because I can assure you that I can
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Permalink Reply by District 9 Customer Service on
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The Engineers and the fact that they existed (Exist) debunks every single faith that man kind has come up with. What I gathered is that Elizabeth hates the idea of believing in anything. Her father in her dream says "You Choose what you want to believe" and I got the impression that Elizabeth resented this about her Father. She doesn't want to believe anything, she wants to Know things. Thats why I don't think Running off to a planet full of beings that are trying to kill you can be considered a plot hole. I think Elizabeth is very irrational but not because of bad writing, thats just her character. Her obsession is a pursuit of knowledge and risking her life for said knowledge isn't out of her character. In fact I loved her performance (Noomi Rapace) in this film.
We learned what the Engineers look like was a question I didn't know anybody was asking. The "IT'S A HELMET!" and the removal of the helmet gave me the same sad disappointed feeling as when Jar Jar was introduced in The Phantom Menace. I've accepted that this is my problem and not a fault of the film so I'm sorry if my feelings about it piss anybody off.
granted your 2,3,4 were learned in the film and the film again wants us to feel these are very important discoveries. I didn't care about any of that before the film and don't care now that it's over. I don't understand why Elizabeth would constantly Jump to conclusions either. Was it going to earth to destroy it completely? It didn't talk, sure the ominous score insisted that was the motive but it was never established. Maybe the Engineer we saw was a total prick who resented the whole project. Does that mean the entire race of engineers hate human beings? Why the forced generalization of exactly how an entire race of beings feels about an entire race of other beings based on the interaction with one Engineer?
Sorry, ranting. I agree though an additional set of films would be great. My hope of hopes is that when this new series is complete as a whole it will be fantastic.
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Permalink Reply by Bagface on
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Well considering we haven't known what the Engineers looked like in motion for more than 20 years, I myself in particular was excited to see what they looked like. Really we just have to wait for a sequel. I think people were just too damn hopeful to get all of their questions answered, not unlike the characters in the film ironically and when they DIDN'T get everything answered people immediately began damning Prometheus. I've seen it twice now and enjoy it more every time I see it.
Really the only scene I think was terrible was when Fifield and the biologist( can't remember his name ) are playing around with the little snake creature. They're both scientists, one of them is a biologist..why are they acting so stupid by poking and prodding some bizarre alien they've never seen before? I was almost clapping when the snake thing killed the both of them because of their stupidity.
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Permalink Reply by Daniel Truong on -
Probably the only real nit pick that bothered me was how Fifield, the geologist that mapped the pyramid AND at one point was shown using a map and leading the team to the chamber somehow later got lost with Miller and both were not able to make it back to the ship before the other members of the team.
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