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The Prometheus Nitpicks....
Hi guys...it's been awhile since I've been here.
After seeing (and enjoying the hell out of) Prometheus, A couple of plot hole moments stuck in my mind. I did a brief google cruise and discovered that ripping the movie to bits is a favorite hobby lately, but for the most part, the plot holes that people are picking out aren't really holes at all. Usually they just seemed to have missed a point or they are calling the poorly excecuted character arcs "holes."
Spoilers ahead.
Three major issues stood out to me the most.
1. Vicker's beloved surgary pod is set for male. I know now that it was really meant for Weyland. I'm assuming that the entire separate life supported pod was really for Weyland, but I think a lot of the Weyland storyline ended up being cut from the main movie. I'm hoping that later extended version will elaborate on that and make the father daughter conflict more substantial. So, not really a hole...more of a reveal orphaned from it's severely amputated arc.
2. In the first urn room (the one with the giant head statue and the decapitated engeneer head) There is a big relief on the wall of a sculpted xenomorph that pretty much resembles the form from the previous movies. This is confusing as many think that the movie is supposed to be showing how it evolves into that particular form through a serious of chance evolutionary opportunities. If it doesn't exist yet, why is its image already rendered on the wall? At one point, the captain states that the engeneers created the parasite goo as a bio weapon. But since he was just making a guess, perhaps that's not how the actual story goes. Taking into account the Alien VS Predator storyline, the xenomorphs existed long before the prometheus incident and were being utualized by a completely different alien race. Perhaps the Engineers came in contact with the xenomorphs (possibly through the Predators's plant and hunt sport) and chose to weaponize something they didn't entirely understand and were overrun by it, much like Weyland corp in the entire series. The DNA restructuring liquid from the begining of the movie was probably the pure form and resulted in a stable, slow growth evolutionary process when added with the humanoid engineer. Added to the xneomorph's unique properties, it is highly volitile, adapatble, and parasitic. That being said, it makes a lot of sense if the nature of the liquid isn't to alter the DNA so much that the resulting animal is far from it's origin creature. The Engineers and humans are remarkably similar in form and temperment despite developing in different environments. The Xnomorph takes on some properties of it's host, but continues to result in basically the same animal despite being melded with a mealworm or being gestated in a human womb. (on that note I need to point out that at no point in this movie does the worm xnomoph and the womb xenomorph come in contact. The idea that the alien "evolves" in a stepladder that goes "worm, human, engineer" is false. It is a more sound assumption that after any of those initial beginnings, the creatures will develop back into their familiar forms within a few generations.
Even if that resolves the alien wall motif, the failure of an actual alien evolution, and the pre existing alien canon, it does not explain what happened to the creatures that burst out of the chests of the piles and piles of engineer bodies. That place should have been a full nest of developed xenomorphs.
3. This is the one that I can't resolve. Near the finale, the last of the engineers takes his iconic place at the horseshoe ship's helm and becomes "The Space Jockey." The movie kind of makes a big deal of it and it's a nice big fat fan moment. The ship crashes and falls into the position it is found in the original Alien. But then the movie takes a big shit all overitself. The Space Jockey leaves his helm and gets nomed by the rediculous CGI wombsquid. So...how can he be found in the future rotted to his chair if he left?
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Permalink Reply by Mason Daniel on -
Yep, that's it; I was initially confused by that, too. Personally, I'm not that much of an Alien fan to remember the name of the planets...
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Permalink Reply by SketchedLilly on -
Really? I thought the whole point was that it was the same place.
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Permalink Reply by Mason Daniel on
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The trailers make it seem that way, yes. But if you pay close attention, they use a different name for the planet than the one in Alien
Hopefully, the background for the specific engineer in Alien will be explained in the sequel.
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Permalink Reply by District 9 Customer Service on -
I have not heard of any of these particular nit picks myself, my nitpicks are more or less stuff that just doesn't make any sense
Why any of the oil works and why it works in any way at any time for example is a nitpick but the oil not being down to an exact science can be kind of fun.
The Engineer as you said left his ship and stalked Elizabeth after she awakes and returns to her life support ship (whatever that was called) Since we are bread and have the exact same features, organ, and DNA as the Engineer and since the Engineer space ship Terra formed a healthy breathable atmosphere with in there own ship. How did the Engineer survive the trek out of his ship and into the life support station. Of course if your going to believe that Elizabeth could become super athlete after a C-Section I suppose you could say that Mr. Engineer was a breath holding champion.
The most annoying nitpick I have doesn't really have to do with the plot or the story really. After David puts in motion his "evil" plan and has Elizabeth knocked up, he never mentions it again. One moment a barren girl is carrying a baby which David is very ecstatic about the next he could care less. All right then...You think he would asked her what happened to her Alien Squid baby. You think she would have told somebody. What ever.
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Permalink Reply by SketchedLilly on
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I don't think David planned to get Elizabeth knocked up. He wanted to see what would happen to what's his face and the pregnancy was just a circumstance of that. He wanted to put her in a pod to delay the pregnancy until they got home so they could properly deal with it years later.
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Permalink Reply by Scrump Bolymeux on -
Yeah, I walked out of the theater loving it, then when I got home and went online to see what people thought everybody was predominately negative; albeit raising pretty valid points of confusion. However, it got to where it sort of ruined the entire film for me to where I began to think how much of a fucking mess it was. But over the passed few weeks the movie is all I've been thinking about, not to mention the points people raised that generated disgust and confusion I've ended up figuring out either on my own or actually having intelligent discussion rather than picking it apart and only looking for reasons to shit on it like everybody else seems to be doing.
Regarding your first point with the rather strange and seemingly dropped reveal, Vickers may be referring to Weyland as 'father' in the vain of 'creator' similar to another Ridley Scott film. Considering the hint Scott gave back at comic con, I wouldn't be surprised if she was the second android. Looking at her behaviors in parallel with Replicants and Ash in Alien, I'd say she's a dead ringer.
With your second point... I wouldn't count the AVP movies as canon with what Ridley makes. Hell, anything other than the original Alien I wouldn't take into consideration with Prometheus. A guess I have is that Xenomorph mural could have been a sort of hypothesis for a perfect and pure life form that the Engineers hoped to eventually create through the process of testing different species and hosts in order to achieve it. This could have been foreshadowing that David's curiosity would eventually lead to their hypothesis becoming a reality - whether that was his intention or not. The 'holocaust' crime scene left at the Engineer outpost might have been a result of the Engineers not understanding the unpredictability and incomprehensible properties of the substance they created to where one of them was infected by the substance and ended up attacking his crew; this could have been foreshadowing for what was going to happen with Fiefield when he mutated and returned to the ship to kill everybody. Who knows.
With your third point, like everybody's said it's a different planetoid, different ship, different circumstances but same race.
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Permalink Reply by Scrump Bolymeux on
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Ash was in hypersleep, too. Hell, the guy ate. Plus, it's only implied she and Janek had sex, who knows what could've gone on. I know it's not exactly Alien related, but Pris in Blade Runner was a model of android designed for entertainment and pleasure, however we're not sure if she's built to fuck exactly. Me and a few others went into a discussion here about it.
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Permalink Reply by Cthulhu R'lyeh on -
That Weyland subplot is such bullshit. Why doesn't he just stay in cryosleep until they invent immortality? Why does he even need a surgical pod?
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Permalink Reply by Scrump Bolymeux on
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I also figured there being only one med pod, and it being for Weyland, was a sign that the rest of the crew were expendable.
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