If it's crap ... We'll tell you
I saw the movie yesterday and I wanted to bring up a few questions and comments for those who have seen it. I think the visuals, atmosphere, and acting were good overall. But the plot was garbage and the characters did some extremely stupid things. Anyway, here's a few things on my mind.
1) What was up with the black biological substance in what I'd call the alien missile room? The movie opens with one of the humanoid engineers drinking it and apparently committing suicide as we see the black stuff wreak havoc on his cellular tissue even down to the helical structure of his dna. He freaking disintegrated. Why he did this is unexplained but if anything I took from it that the black stuff was dangerous. YET, David mixes it in the scientist guy's drink and this time the black substance integrates itself into the man's dna going as far as to alter the code of his sperm. Next thing we know, his girlfriend scientist is 3 months pregnant in 10 hours with a viable human/xenomorph giant facehugger predecessor in her uterus. So which is it? Did these Engineers craft a WMD meant to disentegrate biological tissue all together or was their plan to engineer the xenomorphs so they could multiply and destroy earth's inhabitants classic alien style? I can live with either idea but it would have been less confusing had they just stuck to one. And since this is an Alien prequel, just use option 2 and throw out that opening scene.
2) What is the story with the only other lifeforms seen in the movie? They appear as earthworm looking creatures in the soil at one point. I noticed them in human footprints. Then I assume they grow to become the snake-like water swimming creatures with obvious classic 'Alien' features. They have acidic blood and prefer to enter the body through the mouth. But this time, instead of nesting a chest-bursting egg for later, these things seem to take over the mind completely. We get an (out of place) action sequence were an infected scientist loses his mind and attacks the crew. Okay, fine. Is this what happened to the crew of Engineers on the alien ship? We see a stack of their dead bodies in one scene were one of the scientist says one of the few smart things in the movie (Let's go east!). Did one of the engineers become infected and cause all those deaths? Or were all those bodies infected already and they had to be executed? I don't remember an explanation in the movie. And what were the holograms of the engineers running away from in the hallway before one of them got their head chopped off by a door? Again, unexplained unless I missed something. I would have preferred to see what was going on and what they were up against. I can only assume that a faulty dna disentegrating WMD Alien breeding WMD led to the growth somehow of the snake creatures, which then infected the crew, made them lose their minds and practically killed them all. Okay, fine.... But maybe it would have been better to see that happen with a clear explanation on how the black substance went from black goo to living snake creature. I'd assume that as a parasitic life form it'd have to find a host somewhere first. That is a host where it doesn't disentegrate its dna and kill it in the first place. Anyway...
3) With all of that said and with how dangerous a situation this was, this movie's explorers were the dumbest characters I've seen in a long time on screen.
"Let's all take our head gears off since we've never seen War of the Worlds and there are absolutely no microscopic bacteria in the air that will kill us later!"
"And NO guns! We're smart explorers not like Indiana Jones or Lara Croft. There's absolutely no threat at all we'll encounter in this movie where we'll need to defend ourselves like in any of the other Alien movies."
"Screw that! This is 2093, and I'm bringing the big guns with me! By that I mean this stupid little flame thrower and a pea shooter which at best would only piss off an already angry, homicidal, giant."
"Wow! Look at the adorable alien snake. Let me pet it like the DUMBASS I am!!"
"I'm Mr. Weyland. I only have a short while to live. So don't wake me up from my life-sustaining hibernation when you've actually discovered a way to prolong my life which is why I spent a trillion dollars to make the trip. Instead, wake me up when you've found what we automatically assume to be a non-hostile alien so that I can have a talk with him... Cuz that just makes too much damn sense to me."
I’m going to try and say this one last time, being as clear as possible, and then I’m leaving it alone. One of my issues with the film is the logic (or lack thereof) I see in the characters and how conclusions are drawn which make no sense or lack any given basis from the CHARACTER’S point of view. And to be clear I mean their point of view and NOT necessarily the audience’s point of view. For example, the movie shows us in the beginning that Noomi Rapace and her friend have discovered a series of cave paintings that depict the same constellation of stars. This “map” of the stars, simply put, is a map. How in %#$K’S sake does Rapace’s character jump to the conclusion that these constellations actually refer to the creators of all living things on planet earth? What is the basis of that theory from HER point of view? What evidence does she provide to support this theory? Anything? No, nothing. How a normal person would interpret her amazing archeological discovery is “I don’t know what’s out there according to these maps but it might be worth a look”. Yet she assumes this wild theory simply and strictly because she’s a character imploring the “logic” made up in a movie script. And this logic of course correlates to other scenes in this scripted movie simply because that’s what the writers intended. Is her proposed theory then actually logical at the time she proposed it simply because it correlates with other scripted elements that make her “right” after all? No. From her point of view at the time she proposed her theory it was a baseless assumption.
Now as an audience member having seen the opening scene to the movie, it’s simple enough for me to connect the dots of what Ridley Scott intended with this plot point. It’s not rocket science nor is this Memento or even Inception level content as far as movies go. But the information gained from the point of view as an audience member is NOT necessarily a part of the equation of how characters should logically act in the story from their point of view. So when connecting dots, both the audience and the characters in the story should discover plot points that lead to logical actions and/or interpretations of what’s happening from their own points of view. So in other words, (Space Jockey killing himself and seeding life on earth: What only the audience sees) + (Rapace finding the maps: which is all her character could see at that time) =/= (Rapace concluding that a space jockey SHE’s never seen and knows little about probably seeded all life on earth). The audience can make that conclusion if we want because we see it all. But there’s no given reason why her character would logically make up that conclusion from her limited point of view 20 minutes into the film. There are many other cases in the film where the characters do things and make decisions that don’t make any sense at all in context, yet they do it because it’s in the script. That’s one of my biggest problems with the movie and there's just no excuse for it.
When you nit pick you're not going to have a good time. People make baseless assumptions on incredibly important things all the time see religion. I understand what you're saying it's just not a deal breaker for me as I could see someone postulating the idea. It could have given more answers and explanations to things such as your specific issue but then again maybe it will be in the sequel which they obviously want to make.
I can't help but think that Scott and Lindleoff are giggling like maniacs in private over the disscussions the film has started all over the place.
I don't know if anyone brought this up but what were people's thoughts on the designs of the Jockeys/Engineers? Did anybody like the Humanoid look of them or no? To me, I found that there was some kind of elegance to their look. I couldn't but be in awe of their weirdness.
Meh I understand the way they made them to have a connection with "the Greys" and the genetic heritage to humans. But I would've liked them to look more... well alien. Like the space jockey from ALIEN not being a suit but their anatomy.
It's one of the most unintentionally hilarious movies in recent memory.
Also, I can't believe that some people don't understand the significance of the first scene. I guess this is why we can't have nice things.
1) I loved the visuals and the atmosphere. That alone was worth the price of admission.
2) I think the story is just trash. Nothing really comes together. You know a plot is a disaster when people use the concept of a Space Jesus to make sense of it all. Feels like sequel bait, not unlike the last Robin Hood movie.
3) The stupidity of the characters is legendary. Can't wait for the drinking game.
4) While I do think that the movie is a visual feast, they really did mess up the Space Jockeys. What was once a terrifying Lovecraftian nightmare is now a giant albino Mark Strong. The room with the star map also felt out of place. Hard boiled eggs as buttons? Flutes as keys? Green holograms? None of those things sound very Giger-esque to me.
I have limited my comments towards a critique of the film itself and have not provoked you in any way. I have no interest in a back and forth with you and to be clear this message is not about a movie.
Do not bring up my name and announce anything about what you say I couldn't do in reference to anything.
Liquid liquid liquid. Did you reading your name upset you? I haven't been name calling the worst i've said is "nitpicking".
Why are you guys so upset? There is nothing to be upset about as i'm not attacking anyone. If I have a conflicting view(thinking of coming up with the idea of creation from an alien species isn't too much of a jump) or ideas on aspects of the film i'm sorry but it's nothing to be bothered about I was just trying to discuss it with you and Christopher. You backed out of the conversation and Christopher just wants to call me a child. I have nothing against you if you felt like the movie was shit and I totally agree there ARE certainly plotholes and stupid character actions. Even the science fiction was a good bit shaky and not flushed out but I didn't dislike the film for it.
In all seriousness if you think I was trying to be a dick to you I wasn't and I apologize if the wording of my posts made it seem that way. : /
Maybe the black goo is like the xenomorphs in that it takes on characteristics of its hosts, and having multiple hosts can help it evolve more rapidly. The Engineer at the beginning drank the goo and died instantly and his biological components were broken down. Being on a planet with no life on it, the goo had no other hosts to latch onto, so it had to evolve slowly.
The goo that Holloway was infected with probably would have broken him down, eventually. He passed on some of it to Shaw (possibly one of the worms swimming around in his body), allowing it to evolve into a more complex organism. The squid facehugger then impregnated the Engineer, producing an athropomorphic form (the xenomorph).
The goo that infected Fiefield had been transmitted from a worm it had taken as its host, and inherited some of its aggressive tendencies. He was probably trying to infect more of the crew when he attacked.
I don't care for fiefields role or transformation in the film, how the writers handled it, but he didn't have a hammerpede in him. He had acid burn his helmet and black goo splashed into his face. If halloway was breaking down wouldn't fifield have broken down and gotten sick as well? Seems to me he turned into super zombie fifield and attacked the crew for who knows why.