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Fight club or Clockwork orange ?
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Permalink Reply by Madness Mark on -
Fight Club, no contest. While Clockwork Orange deals heavily with the despicable nature of violence and sex, it doesn't have much to say about it other than it's difficult to watch and can never truly be solved.
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Permalink Reply by superkavi on -
there both very different types of films,even though the narrative style is similar they both have different things they talk about
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Permalink Reply by Mike on -
In fight club, violence was directed toward a specific goal. it was a way for these men to make themselves feel better. it was done in a controlled matter with rules and a mutual agreement for the fight to happen in the first place.
clockwork orange is about a sick sonofabitch who enjoys making people suffer and all that violence was just for the pleasure of one person without regard to the another. Sure it's equally violent but I didn't think it was really the focus quite as much.
i don't know how exactly you want us to choose one over the other but i guess in terms of analyzing violence fight club is better as opposed clockwork orange which i'd say was more of a character study. Fight club turned out to be that in the end too but that doesn't change what role violence played throughout the rest of the film.
So it's basically it's what violence can be to men vs. what violence was for one individual.
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Permalink Reply by Mike on
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I like clockwork orange but the ending felt rushed and thrown together and ill bet the book is better, but as a movie i prefer fight club. Both however are overrated.
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Permalink Reply by Chig Champa on -
I think A Clockwork Orange is a much better film when it comes to dealing with violence, its ironic use as a tool of the government, and the overall effect violence has on society and the invidual.
A Clockwork Orange is a much better film all together.
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Permalink Reply by Derrick D on -
Clockwork Orange. The violence was more disturbing and effected society as a whole. Also I liked that movie better. :P
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Permalink Reply by Official Rob on -
I tried watching 'A Clockwork Orange' about two years ago and I couldn't get into it. It looked great for the time it was made in, but it just bored me.
Fightclub on the other hand, I liked since I first saw it on HBO. Then, I didn't know it was such a huge hit on the internet, it was much different than anything I had seen prior to it, and sucked me in instantly. I loved every bit of it.
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Permalink Reply by MDS on -
For dealing with violence?
I'd have to go with Clockwork Orange. NOT because of the way it portrayed violence. But instead because of the fact that it deeply went into the fact that violence, and anti-social behavior in general, was something that no matter how much you tried to remove from the "animal" that is called man, it will be there.
Alex went through the whole process of "Correction" with being in prison, volunteered for experimental treatment to REMOVE his violent nature, and when released, was pushed back into a society that now became the crux of his nature. He runs across two of his old 'gang' members, only to see them now grown and 'responsible' (Being police officers). Yet, in private, they are still just the same inner violent animals they have always been by beating up on the 'weaker' person around them. The fact that the old man goes to SUCH lengths to extract his revenge on Alex that he's putting JUST as much effort and resources into destroying Alex that his gang did to destroy the old man to begin with.
THEN on top of all that, Alex's true nature is STILL being controlled by the experimental treatment, so feeling as though he no longer has the free will he had as a youth, he attempts suicide. Believing the treatment was the cause for the suicide attempt, the doctors cure Alex of the side effects, removing the 'sickness' he felt when confronted with Violence. SO, now he's able to return BACK into the "animal" he was all along, only NOW he's going to become MORE dangerous due to Society, AND more cunning due to the 'Correction' process.
It's by far one of the most in-depth movies ever made about just how much of a violent animal the Human Being CAN (Or IS) without going overboard with the visual violence and fights. It also expanded "Violence" to being more than JUST a physical conflict of fighting, raping or mugging people and turned it into a series of events that escalate from one encounter to the next.
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Permalink Reply by Matt aka Kuro on -
Hmm I have only seen parts of Clockwork Orange and I would probably say Fight club but well I don't know, it's hard to judge I don't see Clockwork Orange as the same kind of action as Fight Club is.
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Permalink Reply by Bobby on -
As much as I loved Fight Club A Clockwork Orange is my all time favorite movie.
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Permalink Reply by LoBetaPlus on -
I guess it depends on how your own thoughts on violence are to conclude which one deals with it "better".
I like Fight Club because they use violence to return to a more genuine and primal self. Even though Tyler Durden mock the modern metrosexual copy of a man I think he uses violence and the consequential pain to get in touch with his own feelings. To really feel something and let that feeling control him and his actions instead of supressing it everyday and let him be controlled by neverending rational thoughts and expectations.
I can understand that idea. Most of the time I just think about the appropriate feeling instead of actually feeling it.
I like A Clockwork Orange because it is profound about the violent aspect of humans. The violence is not a mean to an end, it is just our inherent nature. Conditioned or not, grown-up or not violence will manifest itself in some way.
When society changes so does the violence but it does not vanish.
I think that Palahiuniak wrote from a place of general frustration of the complexity of modern lfe and a desire to return to The Natural State, when man is good.
Burgess was in a much darker place I think and thought that inherent violence can never be corrected or cured just digsuised or transformed and the society that we live in (or society as a concept) is fundamentally a violent place.
My vote goes to, A Clockwork Orange, not because I think it is a better movie but the violence was much more present and intense throughout the film and also much more disturbing to watch. In Fightclub I felt more passive bout the violence.
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Permalink Reply by Programmed Damned on -
I enjoyed clockwork orange more then fight club, that didnt answer your question meh :P
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