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Permalink Reply by Arsène Lupin the Third on July 15, 2012 at 1:19am

It's slower paced but it's not drivel, it's just very much about the political aspects and ramifications of the characters actions. the boobs aren't' even that great. things are happening but slowly, it's a very slow boil. I watched both seasons over the course of the weekend(Comcast On demand) and willing to say some elements don't pay off quickly enough but it's fairly interesting take on medieval fantasy genre as it's focusing on political stuff. If you're wondering, the fantasy elements pop up more frequently and more openly as the second season progresses. It ends with a lich (white walker as they call them) leading a zombie army(some with cool protestic rotten flesh);north of wall. heading south toward winterfell.

Being a fan of breaking bad, especially the slower talking sections, I'm fine with story progression through political maneuvering. It is smart as it has a few characters play into other people's hands rather cleverly and doesn't make even the most loyal of characters seem blindly committed to their cause (Hound has a profound moment in season 2).

It's not perfect, the closest thing to a living favorite character is the young Greyjoy for reason that a spoiler-ish, but I feel similar to him in some ways. But beside that  it's fine it's not drivel and to say so is pretty insulting as you bring it down to twilight level by putting it on par with TV soaps.

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Permalink Reply by Josh Truff on July 15, 2012 at 1:28am

I really don't have problems with the slower moving political side. Its the "twists" and resolutions of major build-ups that I found to be lackluster ruining every scene building towards it. The lack of thought provoking moments and a couple actors that took me out of any immersion I may of been feeling. The best part of season one was the midget slapping the little kid. Sometimes more people in this series just need to be slapped.

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Permalink Reply by Arsène Lupin the Third on July 15, 2012 at 1:33am

And it's not suppose to be thought provoking, not everything smart is or should be. there weren't many twist I can think of, everyone if you were paying attenion had there intentions out there in the open in one scene or another. the actors I don't believe you on as there wasn't a single character who really broke the feeling of what the story had shown them to be and what there place was.

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Permalink Reply by Josh Truff on July 15, 2012 at 1:41am

I disliked the king he seemed to be the only one who was completely modern and seemed to not fit in the world and the dragon lady person. Her character just seems too stupid for me to like her, that and bad soap acting. Many characters are too stupid for me to care about. I kind of get a promethius feel to them where when they die they almost deserve worse deaths. 

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Permalink Reply by Arsène Lupin the Third on July 15, 2012 at 1:49am

The king was a hedonistic pig who ate drank and fucked whateer he liked; so of course he seems modern it's how we view most americans now a days. However to me he came off as the kind of king who simply had too much power and let it corrupt him.

The Khaliese is just Naive most women back then were denied proper education that some commoner boys were privy to. That and her brother purposefully kept her sheltered to the point she felt like he was her window to the outside world. It's kinda like how stark's oldest daughter really was stupid to joffery's  sadistic nature. She as a character is a woman who's discovering the power she maintains as well as feeling out the limits of said power, so she takes it carefully (thus she comes off as stilled and melodramatic). Season 2 shows her in a much more confident light as she's now the one giving the orders.

Whose stupid and for what reasons? Ned Stark is a noticable exception but I knew he was dead the second they cast Sean Bean

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Permalink Reply by Josh Truff on July 15, 2012 at 2:07am

Many reactions and actions do not make sense to me. Characters can still be more entertaining in the situations they were given. I personally think the king was just depressed he wasn't corrupt. He could of played a much better role in this story but was made to look like an idiot and died like one. Serious that whole episode/episodes involving that part had me bashing my head on walls it was so weak. Khaliese could of shown emotion and at least been interesting but she played a role similar to Twilight's girl but not as terrible. If she were to get her head split open I would feel nothing, the way she handled her brother (killed), was childishly written. The more I think about it the more I feel like I have a problem with the books, idk possibly just how they were interpreted.

this is just my opinion though I'm sure others could connect with characters in the show but the only Character I related with, like you said I knew was going to die. Another unemotional attempted twist that I just didn't enjoy.

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Permalink Reply by Arsène Lupin the Third on July 15, 2012 at 2:27am

She didn't kill her brother, the idiot killed himself. He saw his sister as his pawn still not his ally's wife and paid with his life for it,as Drogo was offended that he'd step to him like that. If you think she had anything to do with her brother's death then being as much of as a victim as her brother then you're fooling yourself . Don't believe me here's the scene: 

Also it wasn't an emotional twist it was a well laid plan that the queen(or as she was at the moment, the king's mother) would never let anyone who knew her secret live, while she was telling Joffery to stand down it was only due to the fact she knew it'd wreck the girl(which in reality it just helpped show her how much of a monster J is). If it seemed like an emotional twist it was only for the girls who both were too naive to think something else may happen.  I think you're seeking out narrative twist and calling something that was kinda clear would happen out as such.

Also fans of the books say the show's pretty well done except for a few minor changes.

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Permalink Reply by Josh Truff on July 15, 2012 at 3:01am

sorry i meant the way they(the writer/director) dealt with this plot point was boring and predictable. You keep saying there are no plot twists and everything is very obvious. Is that not a fault in the show? If you can see everything coming wheres the fun in watching? 

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Permalink Reply by Arsène Lupin the Third on July 15, 2012 at 3:18am

To see the reactions of the other characters. There are suprises, not twist, but surprises as a character who was logically sound is caught up in something over their head. In season 2 a few characters gets caught up by their reputations and have to figure it out against people you don't see the inner workings of or don't understand easily. They have issues which you can tell what they're going to try but you also know characters will strike down there ideals, it becomes a game of "okay so if he maneuvers here what will the other side come at him at". As things especially in season 2 are obvious if you know what to look at, but usually in retrospect never the present. It's like a detective story, the details you over looked in the beginning are apart of the answer. So it's not a "twist" as it's not dropping that Ned Stark was secretly the one who controlled everything.

Anyway the brother dying that way fit his character ,he was a greedy fool. Even though it was predictable, it was only because the character was so predictable. He put down his sword at the promise of gold, he was always after fame and glory, he was a simple idiot and thus he shouldn't be given an amazing unpredictable death. He should be killed and the story should move on with little fan fare for someone like him.  A character like Joffery, who seems borderline insane, isn't predictable; thus his death(if it comes) should also be very unpredictable.

Permalink Reply by Jon, Gallifrey's Mindfreak on July 15, 2012 at 11:06pm

Khaliese could of shown emotion and at least been interesting but she played a role similar to Twilight's girl but not as terrible.

 

How the hell is Danerys not interesting?  Her entire life she has basically been property for an older brother who openly told her that she was just the means to him getting back on the Iron Throne.  Then when she is basically sold to a barbarian warlord, not only is she shown more respect than her brother ever showed her, she was able earn the respect and love of her husband.  And when she's finally become a somewhat powerful woman with a child on the way, everything is taken from her because she showed kindness to a woman who was being raped.  She is one of the most well developed characters on the show!  And that's without even mentioning the fact that, for reasons unknown, she can survive being burned alive and basically brought a species back from extinction!!

Danerys's isn't confident or strong because she has no reason to be until she becomes the Mother of Dragons.  She isn't cruel, but the product of cruelty. You don't like her because she's naive?  Of course she's fucking naive, she's thirteen! (Maybe fourteen by the end of season 2)  And that naivety costs her the life of her unborn child, the man she loved and a good chunk of the people who saw her as Khalese.  Yes, she's still rather innocent in thinking she can take back the Iron Throne because she has three baby dragons, but she is steadily growing as a character as the story unfolds.

And I'm sorry, if you watch this scene and not feel a twinge of emotion for her, then you're simply heartless.

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Permalink Reply by Hogwarts Freshman on July 15, 2012 at 1:27am

You go to hell, you go to hell and you die.
But naw I watch the first two episodes a year ago, and only started watching it again now.

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Permalink Reply by Josh Truff on July 15, 2012 at 1:45am

I can't think of a worse characteristic than a show that is boring and that you can't stop watching. I wish I had read the books instead now I feel like going back and reading them won't be a good idea. If I am bored enough and I can borrow them from somebody I'll give them a try. Do you think reading the books after watching the show is probably a waste?

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