Religion: Does it piss you off?

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Permalink Reply by Alexandra (Zandy) on June 19, 2009 at 8:34pm

Agree!!!

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Permalink Reply by PREÐATOR on June 16, 2008 at 10:08pm

Okay...how the fuck did you do that?!

I WANT ONE!

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Permalink Reply by Sean Kennedy on June 16, 2008 at 10:43am

I have to side with MDS on this one.

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Permalink Reply by corey vire on June 16, 2008 at 5:56pm

actually you dont have the right to judge youself. thats why we have juries, judges and jails.

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Permalink Reply by Q on June 16, 2008 at 7:18pm

WOW! An even more broken system to judge us!!!

Wow dude! You're the pinnacle of human IQ, now aren't you?

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Permalink Reply by corey vire on June 16, 2008 at 10:46pm

Q by your logic there should be no rules. I should have the right to just murder, rape , or kill who I like. Right? I mean if I feel it's ok then it should be because nobody else should be judging me. Oh those pesky laws.

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Permalink Reply by corey vire on June 16, 2008 at 10:51pm

Morality and legality often go hand in hand. Is it immoral to have sex with a 7 year old boy.? Some people say no it is not. While somesay it is immoral. Thats what I meant.This why I hate Philosophy. It takes a fairly straighforward and simple thing and makes them difficult.
The current society we/you live in at the time sets the standard. The individual really has no say.

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Permalink Reply by Q on June 16, 2008 at 2:55am

I have a question for you all. Chig, if you give....*that* answer, I will sorely be disappointed.

Who is Lucifer truly? You know, the big dude down-under.

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Permalink Reply by Q on June 16, 2008 at 3:16am

Epic fail.

You want me to give a history lesson?

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Permalink Reply by Q on June 16, 2008 at 9:50am

Once again, that's not a belief issue, but simply an excuse.

I won't go into detail, but Lucifer goes by another name: Helel, the Bringer of Light. Kinda funny...that the dude with the pointy horns and pitchfork...was the one who gave fire to humans, then gave them the fruit of knowledge so they could make their own. These actions that Helel took...they saw it as an act against God, who was against humanity having such things as "light" and "intellect." Helel wasn't about to put up against His bullshit though, so he rebelled against God.

In a way...Lucifer is really the good guy, because without him, we wouldn't have progressed. Yet, that very progression is what's being condemned in so many faiths today.... The Seven Deadly Sins, are all ironically, the pinnacles of human nature; it's like telling us to stop being what we truly are. Not to mention, why is it called the "forbidden fruit of knowledge", it's like saying that having knowledge is outright evil.

Now...I find it funny that we're all being condemned for these things; it's practically like telling us to be bitches in the face of being bullied, and Lucifer is the embodiment of all evil...just cause he wasn't gonna be the bitch. What I find EVEN funnier....is that all the "evil" things Lucifer gave us, knowledge and light......they all stemmed from God, and the Archangels; something they use for a daily basis? I mean...wasn't it Raphael who invented humor? =/

Now...seriously...how fucked up, and contradictory is all this? And exactly WHERE are WE to blame in all this...?

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Permalink Reply by corey vire on June 16, 2008 at 6:24pm

Pointy horns? Pitch fork? Satan/ Lucifer is an angle. He's supposed to be ridiculously beautiful. He was also the voice of God. Which is on of the reasons it was easy for him to convince other angels to try to overthrow God. Don't confuse the devil with Prometheus 2 different mythologies. nice try though.
first. When the time the "devil" enlightend mankind he was already an outcast.
second. Are we truly better of having the knowledge? Think about how happy and carefree children are until they start getting things like worry and fear.
third. until we had said knowledge there were no sins beacuse we didnt know any better.
finally If you have kids who would you rather they hear about things like sex from? you or someone who doesnt have their best intrest at heart?
Make no mistake the devil did not do any of that to benifit us. He did it to solely continue pissing of God.
Satan is like a smart ass teenager who thinks he knows everthing but doesnt reallt know shit.
This is written assuming you belive in that particular version.
One of the many things people say to convince other there is no God is this.
" If there is a God why do bad things happen to good people?"
This question seems to be some type of trump card for atheist.
there is an asnwer. I'm not going to give it till someone else tries to answer.

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Permalink Reply by corey vire on June 16, 2008 at 7:10pm

You would think that wouldnt you? Actually any reasonable person would.
I the book of Job. there is a very important conversation between God and the Devil. It revolves around why people worship and revere God. God basically says, "It's because they chose to and they love me."
Satan comes back with, "They only do it cause you give them everthing. I bet if you stopped protecting them theyd curse your name."
So God sips his latte and raises and eyebrow, "Really? tell you what pick one anyone ."
so Satan thinking "AHHHA! got him. Job! I choose Job."
So God said I will take way all my blessings to him and he wil remain faithful. Long story short Job suffers alot and in the end blames himself for not being righteous enough. God says it's not you it's me here's everthing back double what you had before.
Satan, still trying to prove God wrong says we'll Job wasnt a good choice and if where in charge noone would worship God.. God then says ok you have free run of the earth but you dont have unlimited time. if even one person is left that worships me then you lose. So since then Satan haas had a free run at mankind. Keep in mind he cant directly do anything to us. He doesnt have to we make all kinds of bad choices. Those choices affect other people. Resulting in bad things happening to seemingly innocent people. People wonder what is Gods motivation here? He wants everyone to "go to heaven" what happens to you in your relativley short lifetime on earth is a non issue. Even if you suffer for your entire life it's still not eternity. you wont even remember. so why does it even matter. from brain cancer in kids to 9/11. it's al a small blip on the eternal radar. ( assuming you believe in heaven/ hell)

Plus wiithout any suffering how would you know when you've got it good.

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